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Reply #15 - 25th Jan, 2014 at 11:22am
 
Admin Saovaluck wrote on 24th Jan, 2014 at 4:44pm:
I can only feel sorry for them but it's not my duty to help because the Lao government runs the country.

First and foremost, I would rather help my relatives. That's more important. You can't help everyone on the streets, there's poor people everywhere.



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Reply #16 - 25th Jan, 2014 at 11:49pm
 
One could argue that poverty is a normal thing, but that doesn't make it a good thing
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Reply #17 - 26th Jan, 2014 at 10:26am
 
Admin, that's where you are wrong. It is your duty if you can help.

My wife and I work in Community Development and the Lao people seem to just want to take from everybody else and not give to their own. Whenever the local government wants to organize a special event they go to the foreigner owned businesses to donate because they know the Lao owned businesses won't.

Lao people, generally don't have a "charity" attitude. That could be mostly be attributed to the Buddhist tradition of Karma and also that growing up in a socialist country, of the attitude that it's "up to the government".

Socialism was a model that sounded good in theory but fails in reality. There are just as many failures in the pure capitalistic model. The countries that fare the best are those with a good balance.

Choosing the Russian model over the American model in the 70s is an exercise in hindsight. It looked good at the time. Vietnam, just like Laos, woke up in the '80s. Unfortunately Laos, with it's small population, land-locked location, and culture didn't fare so well.

There's corruption in every country. Some more obvious than others. Poverty exists in all countries whether socialist or capitalist.

Since the topic was "a picture is worth a thousand words", be aware, that what you SEE can be deceiving. There are probably more poor people, relatively speaking, in America than in Laos. Who really knows why that young girl had a ripped sin. Maybe it had just ripped.

No you can't help everyone on the street. Helping some of them once in a while is a moral duty of everyone who can.

Sorry for my rant but I see many rich Lao who could spread some of that wealth around instead of buying more "shit" to make them look "important" (and that's not just the government).
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Re: A picture is worth a thousand words
Reply #18 - 26th Jan, 2014 at 11:18am
 
I help, but I help my poor relatives. Why should I help strangers when I have relatives to worry about? Family always come first.

It didn't just ripped. She is obviously wearing an old sinh. You can see other girls beside her wearing old and dirty sinh that will also rip in a matter of time.

Buddhist temples are dependent on charities and htey wouldn't exist if Lao people didn't have a "charity" attitude.
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Reply #19 - 26th Jan, 2014 at 11:22am
 
CDN Lao lover wrote on 26th Jan, 2014 at 10:26am:
Admin, that's where you are wrong. It is your duty if you can help.

My wife and I work in Community Development and the Lao people seem to just want to take from everybody else and not give to their own. Whenever the local government wants to organize a special event they go to the foreigner owned businesses to donate because they know the Lao owned businesses won't.

Lao people, generally don't have a "charity" attitude. That could be mostly be attributed to the Buddhist tradition of Karma and also that growing up in a socialist country, of the attitude that it's "up to the government".

Socialism was a model that sounded good in theory but fails in reality. There are just as many failures in the pure capitalistic model. The countries that fare the best are those with a good balance.

Choosing the Russian model over the American model in the 70s is an exercise in hindsight. It looked good at the time. Vietnam, just like Laos, woke up in the '80s. Unfortunately Laos, with it's small population, land-locked location, and culture didn't fare so well.

There's corruption in every country. Some more obvious than others. Poverty exists in all countries whether socialist or capitalist.

Since the topic was "a picture is worth a thousand words", be aware, that what you SEE can be deceiving. There are probably more poor people, relatively speaking, in America than in Laos. Who really knows why that young girl had a ripped sin. Maybe it had just ripped.

No you can't help everyone on the street. Helping some of them once in a while is a moral duty of everyone who can.

Sorry for my rant but I see many rich Lao who could spread some of that wealth around instead of buying more "shit" to make them look "important" (and that's not just the government).



Hey buddy just for your info.Folks in the US consider poor is not having cable TV.At least being poor over here they have all sort of aid program.The 1 is call welfare.How the heck you gonna compare the US population with the Laos. Dude
it nice you doing good work.But i think you been brainwash
by the commies.
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Reply #20 - 26th Jan, 2014 at 11:27am
 
Buddhist temples are dependent on charities and htey wouldn't exist if Lao people didn't have a "charity" attitude.


Here the temples( 90% of them) are under administration of sort governmental orginazation. Laos government does not offer financial support to temples? Just curious, since we have simliar system.
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Reply #21 - 26th Jan, 2014 at 11:46am
 
peterpan wrote on 26th Jan, 2014 at 11:27am:
Buddhist temples are dependent on charities and htey wouldn't exist if Lao people didn't have a "charity" attitude.


Here the temples( 90% of them) are under administration of sort governmental orginazation. Laos government does not offer financial support to temples? Just curious, since we have simliar system.




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Reply #22 - 26th Jan, 2014 at 11:57am
 
Here is the story;

One abbot passed away,his temple a little famous in that city, his only daughter ( he left 20 years ago to her mother) came to claim his belongings. a Bank account bearing his father name has 4 million RMB, about 680,000 USD. 2 houses. 40,000 USD equivelent cash.  That is why I am curious about the temples in Laos not in Gov sponsoship.  I think it is the same for some a little famous temples in Laos.

ba dac wrote on 26th Jan, 2014 at 11:46am:
peterpan wrote on 26th Jan, 2014 at 11:27am:
Buddhist temples are dependent on charities and htey wouldn't exist if Lao people didn't have a "charity" attitude.


Here the temples( 90% of them) are under administration of sort governmental orginazation. Laos government does not offer financial support to temples? Just curious, since we have simliar system.




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Reply #23 - 26th Jan, 2014 at 12:08pm
 
Giving people handouts doesn't really help them generally it just makes them want to ask for more..The best way to help people is to open up opportunities for them to help themselves.

Haven't you guys seen those signs at national parks saying "Don't feed the animals, it will make them come back to beg humans for more food"?
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Reply #24 - 26th Jan, 2014 at 2:29pm
 
Buk Nut wrote on 26th Jan, 2014 at 12:08pm:
Giving people handouts doesn't really help them generally it just makes them want to ask for more..The best way to help people is to open up opportunities for them to help themselves.

Haven't you guys seen those signs at national parks saying "Don't feed the animals, it will make them come back to beg humans for more food"?



True , why you think i want the commies to leave Laos.
If people or country gonna invest in something .They want
to know where their money gonna go.They wanna be insure
that there is a check and balance system in place.Just in case the accountant does funny math. There has to be trust that rules and laws set up. The people in charge is not
farming rice or hunting for their next meal.They all fat and happy.Just look at the ordinary people .The people that busting  their butt just trying to make a livin.
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Reply #25 - 26th Jan, 2014 at 5:40pm
 
ba dac wrote on 26th Jan, 2014 at 11:46am:
peterpan wrote on 26th Jan, 2014 at 11:27am:
Buddhist temples are dependent on charities and htey wouldn't exist if Lao people didn't have a "charity" attitude.


Here the temples( 90% of them) are under administration of sort governmental orginazation. Laos government does not offer financial support to temples? Just curious, since we have simliar system.




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Since I'm just a stupid westerner who doesn't know anything about Lao Buddhism, from what I've been told the only reason most Lao "give" to a Temple is so that they get some "reward" for their next life. It's all about THEIR karma. That's not "charity". Charity is the free giving of something you have with no expectations in return. That definitely isn't what the Buddhist "culture" in Lao is all about.

Prove to me that the morning alms giving doesn't have some ulterior motive related to the "giver" wanting something back in return?

The whole purpose of becoming a monk is to give up worldly possessions, meditate, and pray for enlightenment. I see most novices with cell phones and buying "crap" food. I know of many instances where the "charity" given to a temple has nothing to do selflessness and everything to do with selfishness. It's mostly about what can I get in return, this life or the next. And that, is not charity.

If I am wrong, please enlighten me as to the reasons Lao people give to a Temple and not to the poor villagers. Becoming a monk is a choice. Being born poor in a village with no electricity, toilets or running water is not a choice I believe that any of these people have made. All the "charity" given to the Temples would have a better ROI "return on investment" (if you don't know what it stands for) being used for education, health and investment in the villages for the poor.

Why? Because Temples are a sink hole. Money goes in and does nothing to help society as a whole, except making someone think their business is making money because of their "charity", or will heal a sick family member, or have a monk "bless" a new car or house, for good luck. Investing in other Lao communities will raise everybody's standard of living. And that, my boy, is what capitalism is all about.

Want to call me a commie. You should get a dictionary, economics text, or encyclopedia out and do a little homework. Then you might understand the difference.
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Reply #26 - 26th Jan, 2014 at 10:46pm
 
The Buddhist monks preserve the culture and provide education for the people. Today, I was at the VN temple and the youth practiced Chinese dancing in preparation for the new year. I'm not going to let some ignorant Westerner pass judgment when they don't even understand the culture. Yes, people donate to the temple to accrue karma.But also the temple provides for the people and the temples are generally worthy of respect. I will challenge anyone to a muay thai match who says they don't like the Buddhist temples. I'm currently in Pakse and I will provide my phone number if you are interested in fighting. I won't stand for some punks insulting a 2000+ year old religion and I will gladly fight anyone who insults Buddhism. If anyone else wants to speak a word against Buddhism, at least have the balls to challenge me.  CDN Lao Lover do you even live in Laos? If you do, where do you want to meet up and fight?
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Reply #27 - 26th Jan, 2014 at 10:53pm
 
You punk mothercrappity smacker. I'm so crappity smacking pissed. What about all the monks who dedicate themselves to the sutras? I've taught some of them. I'm not Buddhist but I respect Buddhism and I respect the monks. You shit talking f*g**t. Why don't you go jerk off to Lenin you commie prick? I just re-read your post and I'm more pissed than before. Where the crappity smack are you in Laos? I bet you're some loser falang who chooses cynicism because you could never become successful. I would absolutely love to fight with you and see who is the better man. You are a disgrace and embarrassment to falang worldwide and I won't stand your shit talking of a beautiful tradition with origins in India.
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Reply #28 - 26th Jan, 2014 at 10:57pm
 
I'm going to Louang Prabang in about 7 days. PM me your phone number if you want to settle this issue like men.
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Reply #29 - 27th Jan, 2014 at 12:01am
 
To say Buddhism as a whole is bad would not be accurate. There are bad people of all religions. In Myanmar the Buddhists kill Muslims, in most of the world Muslims kill non-Muslims and Christians brainwash people and fondle little boys. where have you seen Buddhists trying to brainwash anyone? (apart from the thai education system that is) The monks teach good values to the community and force no one to attend or follow their teachings unlike the Christian  missionary psychopaths who crusade around Asia destroying local animist religions. If any religion needs to go, it's the fanatical Abrahamic lunatic religions
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