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When is Laos going to be like Singapore ?
2nd May, 2012 at 8:13am
 
Singapore

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore#_

The economy depends heavily on the industry and service sectors. Singapore is a world leader in several areas: It is the world's fourth-leading financial centre, the world's second-biggest casino gambling market, and the world's third-largest oil refining centre. The port of Singapore is one of the five busiest ports in the world, most notable for being the busiest transshipment port in the world. The country is home to more US dollar millionaire households per capita than any other country. The World Bank notes Singapore as the easiest place in the world to do business. The country has the world's third highest GDP PPP per capita of US$59,936, making Singapore one of the world's wealthiest countries.
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Reply #1 - 2nd May, 2012 at 8:25am
 
The World Bank notes Singapore as the easiest place in the world to do business.

Oil refinery
Industry and service sectors
Casino
Financial centre

Laos can do it too. Why not?
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Reply #2 - 2nd May, 2012 at 8:38am
 
We are a land locked country.
We are still a communist country.
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Reply #3 - 2nd May, 2012 at 8:00pm
 
Yes lanlocked is the major problem.  However we can be the manufacturueers of matrials for otherASEAn since the country is at the center of it all.

Weath and standard of living similar to Tahiland is better than enough.
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Reply #4 - 3rd May, 2012 at 7:41am
 
The riches country in the world are landlocked country. Luxembourg, Switzerland. Thailand is better off then Laos, but with 65 million population. About 6.5 million is living poverty. Laos with 6.5 million about 26%, 1.7 million live in poverty.

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Yes lanlocked is the major problem.  However we can be the manufacturueers of matrials for otherASEAn since the country is at the center of it all.

Weath and standard of living similar to Tahiland is better than enough.

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Reply #5 - 3rd May, 2012 at 7:48am
 
With money and power anything is possible. Landlocked country like Switzerland is the riches country in the world with GDP of $81,000 a year.

Make Laos a business friendly country is a good start. Laos currently rank 177 I believe out of 187. Singapore is number 1. Communist country like China has become the second largest economy in the world and lift 150 million of it citizens out of poverty. 

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We are a land locked country.
We are still a communist country.

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Reply #6 - 3rd May, 2012 at 9:26pm
 
China may look really good right now because of the USA and other western nations that depend on their relatively inexpensive exported goods.  The USA can shut off influx these goods anytime into the country and if so China will be in a heap of trouble. 

China's economy will eventually go down because China is cutting corners on almost all infrastructures.  These infrastructures will eventually crumble down with a higher magnitude earthquake and we all know that earthqakes are very common in China. 

I hope Laos build everything right by using 'Western' standards.
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Reply #7 - 4th May, 2012 at 7:27am
 
I only see China going up and up. Soon will be world largest economy. Thank to many American and European company that move their manufacturing there. For cheap labors and more profits.
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Reply #8 - 4th May, 2012 at 11:16am
 
Being a landlocked country is clearly a disadvantage for Lao. In order to counterbalance that fact only huge (enormous, gigantic) investments in an "excellent" infrastructure network will really put Lao on the map of the international (regional; Asean) trade. Some efforts have been done, more friendship bridges, a railway connection between Vientiane and Nongkhrai but is clearly not enough. Connection with China through railway is being studied but will this project is really worthwhile for Lao if we take into account the mercantile way of china when they are conducting business.
Lao did not from my point of view really achieved an agriculture revolution. It has huge potential but once again infrastructure is of the essence (irrigation).
Lao is gifted with lots of raw materials and minerals but once again without a proper infrastructure system, how can they export heavy and voluminous loads! Hydro-power could provide industries "cheap" energy which is good for Lao. What about Oil and gas resources?
Concerning the industrial revolution same problem even worst.
They lack the technical skills and the funds (Investors that have the balls to believe into Lao potential). Why produce goods for the domestic market (only 6.5 to 7 millions potential consumers) and not be able to compete on exports ?
Is Lao going to be able to conquer the added value from raw material to finished goods??? This kind of project (scale development) can only be conducted by strong incentives of the state and probably public or mixed companies at the beginning. But officials still have bad habits, they get easily confused with their own purse and the one that have to manage in the name of the people. They will probably fail due to corruption.
Yes Lao does enjoy a relatively "cheap" labor but untrained, unqualified and clearly unproductive. Productivity is one of the major key of competitiveness. As an investor I will not mind paying 2 Vietnamese or Thai and Chinese that do the job of 5 Lao and only cost 3 of them!
It seems that Lao government is focusing into providing better education and training to his citizens. That is encouraging but technical training is difficult to provide due to swift technology changes. Even developed country has difficulties to cope with the speed of evolution in that matter.
Tourism would fuel some of the growth but once again infrastructure is paramount. Lao airlines are 25% to 50% more expensive than Thailand (accommodations,etc... only alcohol is cheaper!)
Concerning services few Lao companies would be able to compete with foreign companies. Their competitors enjoy better expertise, more funds to develop their network (banks, insurances...).
Is the situation of Lao hopeless? I do not think so but much depends on the "wisdom" of the Lao government, would they do the strategical and tactical good choices, would they implement "good practice" management of the wealth of the people?
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Re: When is Laos going to be like Singapore ?
Reply #9 - 4th May, 2012 at 9:08pm
 
Somvang - well stated.  Necessary infrastructure is the key for Laos to get where she wants to be in the near future.  Without proper roads/bridges etc... it would be extremely infeasible to transport products/goods from point A to point B. After these necessary infrastrucutres are up, she can really start producing goods/products/raw materials and cash crops to be exported to larger domestic markets to generate addiotnal revenues for the country. Infrastructures would allow more 'human activities' by generating new ideas/businesses to pop up.


China is notoriously hedious with business ethics and intellectual property protections.  This is extremely pleasing to hear that Laos is studying this railway again.


What about oil and gas? Below several hundred meters of Laos there are rock types that may have potential to store hydrocarbon.  These rocks are extension of rocks that are found below Thailand to the west.  Oil/gas companies have explored/drilled for and successfully found profitable hydrocarbon amount in them.


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Being a landlocked country is clearly a disadvantage for Lao. In order to counterbalance that fact only huge (enormous, gigantic) investments in an "excellent" infrastructure network will really put Lao on the map of the international (regional; Asean) trade. Some efforts have been done, more friendship bridges, a railway connection between Vientiane and Nongkhrai but is clearly not enough. Connection with China through railway is being studied but will this project is really worthwhile for Lao if we take into account the mercantile way of china when they are conducting business.
Lao did not from my point of view really achieved an agriculture revolution. It has huge potential but once again infrastructure is of the essence (irrigation).
Lao is gifted with lots of raw materials and minerals but once again without a proper infrastructure system, how can they export heavy and voluminous loads! Hydro-power could provide industries "cheap" energy which is good for Lao. What about Oil and gas resources?
Concerning the industrial revolution same problem even worst.
They lack the technical skills and the funds (Investors that have the balls to believe into Lao potential). Why produce goods for the domestic market (only 6.5 to 7 millions potential consumers) and not be able to compete on exports ?
Is Lao going to be able to conquer the added value from raw material to finished goods??? This kind of project (scale development) can only be conducted by strong incentives of the state and probably public or mixed companies at the beginning. But officials still have bad habits, they get easily confused with their own purse and the one that have to manage in the name of the people. They will probably fail due to corruption.
Yes Lao does enjoy a relatively "cheap" labor but untrained, unqualified and clearly unproductive. Productivity is one of the major key of competitiveness. As an investor I will not mind paying 2 Vietnamese or Thai and Chinese that do the job of 5 Lao and only cost 3 of them!
It seems that Lao government is focusing into providing better education and training to his citizens. That is encouraging but technical training is difficult to provide due to swift technology changes. Even developed country has difficulties to cope with the speed of evolution in that matter.
Tourism would fuel some of the growth but once again infrastructure is paramount. Lao airlines are 25% to 50% more expensive than Thailand (accommodations,etc... only alcohol is cheaper!)
Concerning services few Lao companies would be able to compete with foreign companies. Their competitors enjoy better expertise, more funds to develop their network (banks, insurances...).
Is the situation of Lao hopeless? I do not think so but much depends on the "wisdom" of the Lao government, would they do the strategical and tactical good choices, would they implement "good practice" management of the wealth of the people?

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Reply #10 - 6th May, 2012 at 6:47pm
 
There is oil/gas below Laos and the concentration may or may not be economical. 

That is aluminum refinery (not oil refinery)?  Oil refinery is in the billions to build.
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Reply #11 - 8th Jun, 2012 at 7:48am
 
llX wrote on 2nd May, 2012 at 8:13am:
Singapore

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore#_

The economy depends heavily on the industry and service sectors. Singapore is a world leader in several areas: It is the world's fourth-leading financial centre, the world's second-biggest casino gambling market, and the world's third-largest oil refining centre. The port of Singapore is one of the five busiest ports in the world, most notable for being the busiest transshipment port in the world. The country is home to more US dollar millionaire households per capita than any other country. The World Bank notes Singapore as the easiest place in the world to do business. The country has the world's third highest GDP PPP per capita of US$59,936, making Singapore one of the world's wealthiest countries.



Sorry Laos is more beautiful than Singapore!
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Reply #12 - 8th Jun, 2012 at 7:51am
 
llX wrote on 4th May, 2012 at 7:27am:
I only see China going up and up. Soon will be world largest economy. Thank to many American and European company that move their manufacturing there. For cheap labors and more profits.


Who is happier an average citzen in China or Laos?

And if a happiness gap did exist (which I highly doubt)
Does the happinness gap between Laos & China reflect the assumed gap between the two economies?
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Re: When is Laos going to be like Singapore ?
Reply #13 - 11th Jun, 2012 at 4:06am
 
I mention landlocked because we are comparing Laos to Singapore. The only reason Singapore is as developed as it is is due to it being a shipping port, take a look at it's history. It's currency is very high compared to most Asian countries, thus allowing it to having more buying power, not sure if they are the happiest people though, that is very objective.

I'm waiting for a change in gov't or a total colapse or even another civil war before Laos can change and then enter the same playing field as the rest of the world. Right now, it's playing in a sandbox with a handful of it's commie friends, Vietnam and China which I wouldn't really call "good" friends either, they each have their own interest for doing business with Laos.
Let's try to take a few steps at a time and not overnight transformations. Rome wasn't built in a day.
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Reply #14 - 13th Jun, 2012 at 6:37am
 
Buk Hoo Kee wrote on 11th Jun, 2012 at 4:06am:
I mention landlocked because we are comparing Laos to Singapore. The only reason Singapore is as developed as it is is due to it being a shipping port, take a look at it's history. It's currency is very high compared to most Asian countries, thus allowing it to having more buying power, not sure if they are the happiest people though, that is very objective.

I'm waiting for a change in gov't or a total colapse or even another civil war before Laos can change and then enter the same playing field as the rest of the world. Right now, it's playing in a sandbox with a handful of it's commie friends, Vietnam and China which I wouldn't really call "good" friends either, they each have their own interest for doing business with Laos.
Let's try to take a few steps at a time and not overnight transformations. Rome wasn't built in a day.


Also...Singapore is slowly being influenced by China & the Chinese majority there is simply seeing the advanatge of being Chinese.  So as the Chinese minorities elsewhere.

Also see Laos is not Exactly Singapore (Chinese majority, Malay & Indian minorities) the Lao people themselves are unique

The Genetic Atlas study has Lao people stats, He et al. 2012
Patrilineal Perspective on the Austronesian Diffusion in Mainland Southeast Asia

http://thegeneticatlas.com/study_he2012.htm
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