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Message started by TexasCowboy on 29th Aug, 2013 at 4:55am

Title: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by TexasCowboy on 29th Aug, 2013 at 4:55am
The United States has near airtight evidence that the Assad regime is using chemical weapons on its own people. Intervention by the United States is almost a certainty by this point and it could escalate into a ground invasion by American forces. Should the people of Lao stand up & make it clear to the rest of the world that they will no standby while an evil dictatorship murders its own people? I think it would be a good idea to send a small force from the Lao military.

What do you think?

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by Admin Saovaluck on 29th Aug, 2013 at 6:14am
The regime in Laos is not perfect either.

That's the reason why thousands of Laotians are scattered around the world today. They didn't go there to look for a better life, they went there to escape death or imprisonment.

We have issues in our own country, we need to sort out our own problems before we can help others.

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by TexasCowboy on 29th Aug, 2013 at 10:13am
Many Americans flee to other countries seeking asylum. A recent example is Edward Snowden who exposed the NSA for unconstitutional breach of privacy. Regardless of this and many other controversies, the US still holds itself as a model for the rest of the world; they will not standby while a regime uses chemical weapons on its own population. The Lao should have pride and make it clear they share this common goal with the United States and United Kingdom.

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by Admin Saovaluck on 29th Aug, 2013 at 11:36am
The Americans seeking asylum are doing something unlawful in their country. Anyone who did what Snowden did would be a wanted person by their country. The Laotians who left Laos by the thousands is not because they did anything wrong, but because the communist just don't like them.

I don't object with the US to take action with Syria, but for Laos to get involved is out of the question when our history relates to Syria. We killed our own people, and this is still fresh in the minds of many Laotians.

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by peterpan on 29th Aug, 2013 at 1:33pm
How Laotian soldiers go to Syria?

Fighting with USA or England will do good for laotians?


Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by Admin Saovaluck on 29th Aug, 2013 at 1:50pm
Laos already have bad relations with the US, remember we fought against the US in the Civil War.

So to fight with them is the last thing on the Lao Government's mind at the moment.

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by TexasCowboy on 29th Aug, 2013 at 3:18pm
I understand Lao intervention is unlikely because of sour relations  with the United States. But that is precisely why Lao should show its support in the effort: to improve its relations with the U.S. and therefore build its global reputation. Further integration into the international community would gradually pacify the Lao government on a number of issues. This would eventually benefit the Lao commoner.



Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by Admin Saovaluck on 29th Aug, 2013 at 4:12pm
I like your way of thinking, however at the end of the day, it's the US President who has to make the shot. He has to call to Laos for an invitation to join which obviously won't happen due to the sour relations.

He would also be taking account of the fact that the Lao army has limited experience, and we do not have any high-tech and state-of-the-art equipment.

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by Supermoon on 30th Aug, 2013 at 5:14am
If we have to, we can use drones to take them out.  We do not need to use ground attacks.  Those boys that are currently in that part of the world need to come back home.  Those boys are only 'policing' people and not really in 'fighting' mode and because of this, this would make them more vulnerable. 

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by Supermoon on 30th Aug, 2013 at 5:48am
No is the answer.  Let Darwin's evolution take care of Syria.

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by peterpan on 30th Aug, 2013 at 11:13am
Cameron is not in line with Obama this time

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/30/obama-strike-syria-britain-vote

Mr Darwin theory prevails

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by Supermoon on 31st Aug, 2013 at 12:54am
I've the French.  This is somewhat worries me though.  You do not want the French men to watch your back.

:laugh2 :laugh2 :laugh2 :laugh2

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by peterpan on 2nd Sep, 2013 at 9:29am
Why? Because they speak different language? or just eat fries not burger? ;D


Beef Cake wrote on 31st Aug, 2013 at 12:54am:
I've the French.  This is somewhat worries me though.  You do not want the French men to watch your back.

:laugh2 :laugh2 :laugh2 :laugh2


Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by ba dac on 2nd Sep, 2013 at 11:15am
Laos need to take care of its own first.Japan also fought against the USA ,but look at the end result.At least the United State help rebuild that country just like they help rebuilt western Europe.Here the thing .If Laos keep China or Vietnam as her buddy .The United State of America don't want any part of her. Case in point look at Cuba.
Laos senting solider to Syria  ;D  are you serious or that
sarcasm  :-?

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by Buk Hoo Kee on 3rd Sep, 2013 at 6:50am
Some of you people are really clueless about Laos history. I didn't expect the admin to actually admit faults about the commie Lao gov't but I actually agree with her.
Laos doesn't have an army, it only has these commie soldiers who protect the corrupt commie gov't officials in case someone tries to assassinate them to take back Laos for the Lao people since Viets control Laos.

Laos doesn't care about the rest of the world, they don't care about human rights so they obviously won't care about what happens in Syria. I wish there was another civil war in Laos so that all the Lao people in the rest of the world could go home, I'm tired of living overseas!
The UK look like a bunch of pansies with no balls! All talk but can't walk the walk. Just like when they hesitated to stand up against Hitler. AND AGAIN the US has to step in and stand up for what's right. Shame on the rest of the world. UN has no balls either, just a bunch of paper pushers. China and Russia won't let any international intervention happen. Why is that? What interest do they have in Syria? It's always about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

I know why buk dum Obama wants congressional approval, cause he don't want to look like a war monger like the previous Bush's. He doesn't want to be remembered as that president who started wars unlike most of the other past presidents in the US.

Buk Snowden had choices, he made his, and he knew the repercussions. The people of Syria, women and children, didn't have a choice, they were murdered.
Snowden will have a trial in the courts of law and is innocent until proven guilty if he decides to come back to the US. The 1429 people killed in Syria don't have no choice but to lay in a grave now. I'd rather face American justice any day than be killed off by dictators.

There are other ways people can help Syria instead of sending military troops and adding to the blood shed.
They can send aid such as food, water, medical to the victims of war who didn't want to be a part of this power struggle. Many people already fled, just like Laos in 1975 during the Vietnam invasion.

No one wins in war, everyone loses something.

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by Admin Saovaluck on 3rd Sep, 2013 at 7:12am
Edward Snowden may never face trial like Julian Assange.

The countries granting them asylum obviously believe these criminals are an "asset" to them because they have information about the United States.

Ecuador and Russia wouldn't just let you and I walk into their country without going through the proper immigration or visa process.

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by ba dac on 3rd Sep, 2013 at 10:28am

Buk Hoo Kee wrote on 3rd Sep, 2013 at 6:50am:
Some of you people are really clueless about Laos history. I didn't expect the admin to actually admit faults about the commie Lao gov't but I actually agree with her.
Laos doesn't have an army, it only has these commie soldiers who protect the corrupt commie gov't officials in case someone tries to assassinate them to take back Laos for the Lao people since Viets control Laos.

Laos doesn't care about the rest of the world, they don't care about human rights so they obviously won't care about what happens in Syria. I wish there was another civil war in Laos so that all the Lao people in the rest of the world could go home, I'm tired of living overseas!
The UK look like a bunch of pansies with no balls! All talk but can't walk the walk. Just like when they hesitated to stand up against Hitler. AND AGAIN the US has to step in and stand up for what's right. Shame on the rest of the world. UN has no balls either, just a bunch of paper pushers. China and Russia won't let any international intervention happen. Why is that? What interest do they have in Syria? It's always about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

I know why buk dum Obama wants congressional approval, cause he don't want to look like a war monger like the previous Bush's. He doesn't want to be remembered as that president who started wars unlike most of the other past presidents in the US.

Buk Snowden had choices, he made his, and he knew the repercussions. The people of Syria, women and children, didn't have a choice, they were murdered.
Snowden will have a trial in the courts of law and is innocent until proven guilty if he decides to come back to the US. The 1429 people killed in Syria don't have no choice but to lay in a grave now. I'd rather face American justice any day than be killed off by dictators.

There are other ways people can help Syria instead of sending military troops and adding to the blood shed.
They can send aid such as food, water, medical to the victims of war who didn't want to be a part of this power struggle. Many people already fled, just like Laos in 1975 during the Vietnam invasion.

No one wins in war, everyone loses something.

I'm with you on this one bro.Even though i live a good life
here in the USA .I want Laos to be free .Dam commies !
I want to retire in the place where i was born.

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by TexasCowboy on 3rd Sep, 2013 at 6:05pm
Most Americans consider Snowden to be a whistleblower and not a traitor. Also, how can you call him a criminal when he has not yet been charged with anything in the United States? Maybe you should question why a former military and CIA employee feels the needs to go abroad before exposing a illegal and unconstitutional program.

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by Admin Saovaluck on 3rd Sep, 2013 at 6:39pm
If you're wanted for questioning, and you don't turn yourself in to face the music then you're a criminal. He is still on their wanted list, and he knows that he would be charged if he returned to America.

Snowden isn't a traitor, but his job required that he can't expose sensitive information. You can't do that and say it's okay.

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by ba dac on 4th Sep, 2013 at 10:35am

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 3rd Sep, 2013 at 6:39pm:
If you're wanted for questioning, and you don't turn yourself in to face the music then you're a criminal. He is still on their wanted list, and he knows that he would be charged if he returned to America.

Snowden isn't a traitor, but his job required that he can't expose sensitive information. You can't do that and say it's okay.


I think he a big time traitor.Now i feel uncomfortable
talking dirty on the phone  ;D  Darn NSA ease dropping on
my phone.

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by Buk Hoo Kee on 4th Sep, 2013 at 11:51am
In America, you talk bad about the gov't on the phone and internet, you sue for breach of privacy.

In Laos, you talk bad about the gov't in the media, you get taken away to be "re-educated".

This is why Snowden is still alive. The US revoked his passport so he is no longer "American". This means that he is eligible for a drone strike, haha!

Okay back to the topic, what do you guys think will happen in Syria with the US planning an imminent attack of some sort. I hear Sept. 9th is the deadline, so close to the 9/11 date, hmmm. Why do bad things always happen around this time frame? I'll let the conspiracy theorist answer that one.

I predict cruise missiles to be launched, followed by some secret drone missions taking out key targets (because the US cannot have troops set foot on the ground or else it would be an act of war), then followed by the US supporting the rebels with weapons and supplies. The US says they don't want to intervene in the civil war but that is a lie. They already support the rebels. Russia and China support Assad. Everyone has their "interest" at stake.

I hope we see the "evidence" soon and the UN report but it's a little too late when so many people have already died. It really makes me think about the quote "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing".

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by ba dac on 4th Sep, 2013 at 12:28pm
I think the end is near for assad.He gonna end up like saddam.His own people gonna hang him. :applause

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by peterpan on 4th Sep, 2013 at 12:30pm

ba dac wrote on 4th Sep, 2013 at 12:28pm:
I think the end is near for assad.He gonna end up like saddam.His own people gonna hang him. :applause



I think his family will have a wonderful life in Russia ;D

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by Admin Saovaluck on 4th Sep, 2013 at 5:23pm

Buk Hoo Kee wrote on 4th Sep, 2013 at 11:51am:
In America, you talk bad about the gov't on the phone and internet, you sue for breach of privacy.

In Laos, you talk bad about the gov't in the media, you get taken away to be "re-educated".


Snowden worked for the CIA and NSA. By working for them, he signed an agreement to not disclose confidential information and he broke it, therefore putting himself in hot water with the authorities.

The average person such as you and I talking negative about the American government on the phone and internet is a different thing altogether. That doesn't hurt the government because it's just our opinion and nothing is based on confidential information.

As for the situation in Laos, it's true that you get taken away without trace, and what happens to you is anyone's guess. You're either locked away, or you're killed.

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by Bao Evil on 5th Sep, 2013 at 1:59am
I am against war because of killing. Laos can send aids and hope for the best in Syria. To me, both parties involved are evils.

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by Buk Hoo Kee on 5th Sep, 2013 at 8:34am
My point is that in America, no one is above the law, not even the government. When the government breaks the law, they can get punished and sued also.
In Laos, it is only a one way street.
If Snowden didn't sign disclosure agreements, then he would have been fine as a whistle blower but he signed his life away, that's why he's in exile now.

I don't think anything will change after this because everyone already knew the US gov't was doing this kind of thing. Look at area 51. The general public believes that if it protects national interest then it's okay, even though it's unconstitutional.
It's actually kind of ironic when you think about it. US gov't breaks it's own laws to prevent terrorism and other dangers, so they are committing a crime to prevent a worse crime from happening.
Snowden is breaking the law to try and prevent a greater crime from happening (in his view), the unlawful spying and intelligence gathering by the US gov't. So who is right and who is wrong? Looks to me like two wrongs don't make a right.

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by Admin Saovaluck on 5th Sep, 2013 at 9:36am
I guess in America even if you did break the law, they give you a chance to clear your name through the courts, and you are allowed to have a lawyer. Your families can still visit you while you're in custody.

In Laos, if you do something or say something that presents a danger to the security of the country, good luck because you're pretty much on your own. The authorities can come over to knock on your door at night and remove you. In other words, forced disappearance. This is a common practice in Laos.

Snowden would still have been in trouble even if he didn't sign anything. Assange didn't sign anything, he is not even a US citizen yet he is still regarded as a fugitive who is wanted by the US. The fact that these people are compromising the American national security makes them a clear threat to the US government.

The US government isn't really breaking any law when you think about it, most governments in other western countries generally back their decisions, so whenever they go to war they are not doing it alone.

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by Buk Hoo Kee on 5th Sep, 2013 at 10:25am
Actually admin, they are breaking the law. It's in the privacy act, that's why the US gov't is being taken to court and sued by class action law suit.

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by Admin Saovaluck on 5th Sep, 2013 at 11:46am
I don't think it matters, they'll go to Syria to launch military attack if they have to, and they have the full support of other western governments so that really says a lot.

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by Buk Hoo Kee on 7th Sep, 2013 at 7:42am
The US breaking its own laws by spying and invading people's privacy (including other countries) is hypocritical. They have lost credibility with the American people and the world.
When you lose credibility, other leaders of the world start to question your judgement. Look at Iraq, where are the weapons of mass destruction, where is the proof? They were wrong about Iraq, so they can be wrong about Syria. Therefore what is their real motive then?
The UK will not even support them now because they voted it down. Even France is waiting on UN findings first now instead of taking the word of the US.
Yes, the US will still attack Syria with or without any support, but that is the problem. The gov't is supposed to be the voice of the people, not above the people. If the people don't want war, it's not even their choice anymore.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Do you know why Americans still believe in being able to carry guns and "bearing arms". It is because after the civil war they realized that the gov't has too much power. So if need be, they have the right to bear arms in case the gov't gets out of hand and tries to take away their freedoms. Research it, the 2nd amendment. There is a reason it's the 2nd amendment on the US constitution.

We will find out on Tuesday, not if the US will attack Syria, but how they will do it. No doubt there is going to be action. I personally support the action to stand up against the use of chemical weapons. I support military action to prevent a remake of Hitler.

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by ba dac on 8th Sep, 2013 at 10:26am
As much as i don't like the current admistration.I actually
agree with Obama stance.If you allow goverment to gas
their own peoples, what's next ? Sometime even though it
might not be popular at the time.You have to take a stand and do what is right.When you are the power house in the world sometime you have to say enough.So i hope they do
take em out.

Title: Re: Should Lao intervene in Syria?
Post by Street Sweeper on 28th Sep, 2013 at 3:53am
Aint gonna happen..this dude is a sissy. :D :D :D :D :D

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