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Message started by Admin Saovaluck on 20th May, 2013 at 1:50pm

Title: Vientiane in the old days
Post by Admin Saovaluck on 20th May, 2013 at 1:50pm

Vientiane in the old days

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Old pictures of the Patuxay (Anousavali) monument


Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by Animist on 20th May, 2013 at 9:31pm
1940? ;D

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by Admin Saovaluck on 21st May, 2013 at 4:48am
Construction of the Patuxai monument began in 1957 and it was completed in 1968.

It looks half finished in the background, so I would say that the photo was taken sometime in the early to mid 1960's.

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by ba dac on 21st May, 2013 at 10:17am
You guys ever wonder if the French had influence of building it.I mean look at Arc de Triomphe  .Make you kinda wonder .

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by llX on 21st May, 2013 at 10:36pm
Vientiane look beautiful even in the old day. Look like the people are living well too. They don't look too skinny. :)

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by peterpan on 22nd May, 2013 at 9:15am
The boy in the front is in his 50 now.

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by Animist on 1st Jun, 2013 at 1:49am
I think they are skinny in the picture :D.


llX wrote on 21st May, 2013 at 10:36pm:
Vientiane look beautiful even in the old day. Look like the people are living well too. They don't look too skinny. :)


Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by peterpan on 1st Jun, 2013 at 4:45pm
They needed six packs? 8-)


Beef Cake wrote on 1st Jun, 2013 at 1:49am:
I think they are skinny in the picture :D.


llX wrote on 21st May, 2013 at 10:36pm:
Vientiane look beautiful even in the old day. Look like the people are living well too. They don't look too skinny. :)


Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by Animist on 1st Jun, 2013 at 5:11pm
Cheesy burgers and fries ;) should to the trick ;D.

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by Admin Saovaluck on 1st Jun, 2013 at 5:31pm

Maybe a diet like this might help them...












Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by Animist on 1st Jun, 2013 at 6:00pm
Oh my Lord y'all ;D!

Eating contests are crazy!  But noodles are even crazier :laugh2.

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by ba dac on 2nd Jun, 2013 at 11:05am
wow, the noodle is funny.

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by peterpan on 2nd Jun, 2013 at 4:17pm
The second is Chinese? Or Japanese? All have glasses!

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by Admin Saovaluck on 2nd Jun, 2013 at 5:10pm
They are Koreans.

So young, yet they need to wear glasses.

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by Animist on 2nd Jun, 2013 at 5:47pm
Asians need more carrots in their systems.

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by peterpan on 2nd Jun, 2013 at 6:40pm

Beef Cake wrote on 2nd Jun, 2013 at 5:47pm:
Asians need more carrots in their systems.



They work?

Glasses people have more know how.


Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by Buk Hoo Kee on 2nd Jun, 2013 at 10:09pm
"glasses people" are just people with bad eye sight, not smarter than anyone else.

I wish I was in Vientiane back in the 1950's. It looked so much better than today in my opinion. Now it's just full of poor beggars, prostitutes, viets, and falungs, not to mention corrupt commies.
Laos has no more character, history, culture, or pride anymore. It's just a country trying to survive now.

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by llX on 3rd Jun, 2013 at 5:54am
Sad but true :D



Buk Hoo Kee wrote on 2nd Jun, 2013 at 10:09pm:
"glasses people" are just people with bad eye sight, not smarter than anyone else.

I wish I was in Vientiane back in the 1950's. It looked so much better than today in my opinion. Now it's just full of poor beggars, prostitutes, viets, and falungs, not to mention corrupt commies.
Laos has no more character, history, culture, or pride anymore. It's just a country trying to survive now.


Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by ba dac on 3rd Jun, 2013 at 10:18am

Buk Hoo Kee wrote on 2nd Jun, 2013 at 10:09pm:
"glasses people" are just people with bad eye sight, not smarter than anyone else.

I wish I was in Vientiane back in the 1950's. It looked so much better than today in my opinion. Now it's just full of poor beggars, prostitutes, viets, and falungs, not to mention corrupt commies.
Laos has no more character, history, culture, or pride anymore. It's just a country trying to survive now.

i agree with ya on that brother.But i wish the commies would just go away.I can deal with the rest.The commies are the one in charge.

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by peterpan on 3rd Jun, 2013 at 10:30am
Commies just go away? Holy!

They are good commies already, at least, laotians have access to Facebook!!!!!!


ba dac wrote on 3rd Jun, 2013 at 10:18am:

Buk Hoo Kee wrote on 2nd Jun, 2013 at 10:09pm:
"glasses people" are just people with bad eye sight, not smarter than anyone else.

I wish I was in Vientiane back in the 1950's. It looked so much better than today in my opinion. Now it's just full of poor beggars, prostitutes, viets, and falungs, not to mention corrupt commies.
Laos has no more character, history, culture, or pride anymore. It's just a country trying to survive now.

i agree with ya on that brother.But i wish the commies would just go away.I can deal with the rest.The commies are the one in charge.


Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by llX on 3rd Jun, 2013 at 10:39am
I don't mind communist if they can develope Laos like China and lift 200 million poor out of poverty :)


peterpan wrote on 3rd Jun, 2013 at 10:30am:
Commies just go away? Holy!

They are good commies already, at least, laotians have access to Facebook!!!!!!


ba dac wrote on 3rd Jun, 2013 at 10:18am:

Buk Hoo Kee wrote on 2nd Jun, 2013 at 10:09pm:
"glasses people" are just people with bad eye sight, not smarter than anyone else.

I wish I was in Vientiane back in the 1950's. It looked so much better than today in my opinion. Now it's just full of poor beggars, prostitutes, viets, and falungs, not to mention corrupt commies.
Laos has no more character, history, culture, or pride anymore. It's just a country trying to survive now.

i agree with ya on that brother.But i wish the commies would just go away.I can deal with the rest.The commies are the one in charge.


Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by Admin Saovaluck on 3rd Jun, 2013 at 11:37am
There's lots of human rights violations in China, Laos is no different.

Chinese people are still poor, that's why they come to Laos and Thailand to look for opportunities.

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by ba dac on 3rd Jun, 2013 at 1:35pm

llX wrote on 3rd Jun, 2013 at 10:39am:
I don't mind communist if they can develope Laos like China and lift 200 million poor out of poverty :)


peterpan wrote on 3rd Jun, 2013 at 10:30am:
Commies just go away? Holy!

They are good commies already, at least, laotians have access to Facebook!!!!!!


ba dac wrote on 3rd Jun, 2013 at 10:18am:

Buk Hoo Kee wrote on 2nd Jun, 2013 at 10:09pm:
"glasses people" are just people with bad eye sight, not smarter than anyone else.

I wish I was in Vientiane back in the 1950's. It looked so much better than today in my opinion. Now it's just full of poor beggars, prostitutes, viets, and falungs, not to mention corrupt commies.
Laos has no more character, history, culture, or pride anymore. It's just a country trying to survive now.

i agree with ya on that brother.But i wish the commies would just go away.I can deal with the rest.The commies are the one in charge.


200 million out of 1.3 billion if not more  :-[  still not good.
If it was that good in China they wouldn't try to get the heck out of there.Admin is right. If you don't have connection you have no other opportunity .

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by llX on 3rd Jun, 2013 at 2:50pm
Chinese is over populated. Doesn't matter what country, rich get richer poor get poorer. China, USA, Thailand or Laos. :)

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by llX on 3rd Jun, 2013 at 2:51pm
You are right about that Admins :)


Admin Saovaluck wrote on 3rd Jun, 2013 at 11:37am:
There's lots of human rights violations in China, Laos is no different.

Chinese people are still poor, that's why they come to Laos and Thailand to look for opportunities.


Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by Animist on 4th Jun, 2013 at 4:10am
Hey now please leave the greatest USA out of this conversation ;D :D :D :D.  The USA is the only true nation on planet Earth that allows individuals to have freedom to enhance themselves even if you are starting with nothing.


llX wrote on 3rd Jun, 2013 at 2:50pm:
Chinese is over populated. Doesn't matter what country, rich get richer poor get poorer. China, USA, Thailand or Laos. :)


Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by ba dac on 4th Jun, 2013 at 10:26am

Beef Cake wrote on 4th Jun, 2013 at 4:10am:
Hey now please leave the greatest USA out of this conversation ;D :D :D :D.  The USA is the only true nation on planet Earth that allows individuals to have freedom to enhance themselves even if you are starting with nothing.


llX wrote on 3rd Jun, 2013 at 2:50pm:
Chinese is over populated. Doesn't matter what country, rich get richer poor get poorer. China, USA, Thailand or Laos. :)


Back in the late 1800 the United State took out ad  in some
of the european country for people to relocate in part of America.That's why you see alots of town in Texas that has deep root from Germany and such. What i'm getting at is why doesn't Laos take that kinda approach ? I mean not like
they have anything to lose.Only in America if you wanna become rich all you have to do is work hard and invest .

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by peterpan on 4th Jun, 2013 at 10:37am

ba dac wrote on 4th Jun, 2013 at 10:26am:

Beef Cake wrote on 4th Jun, 2013 at 4:10am:
Hey now please leave the greatest USA out of this conversation ;D :D :D :D.  The USA is the only true nation on planet Earth that allows individuals to have freedom to enhance themselves even if you are starting with nothing.


llX wrote on 3rd Jun, 2013 at 2:50pm:
Chinese is over populated. Doesn't matter what country, rich get richer poor get poorer. China, USA, Thailand or Laos. :)


Back in the late 1800 the United State took out ad  in some
of the european country for people to relocate in part of America.That's why you see alots of town in Texas that has deep root from Germany and such. What i'm getting at is why doesn't Laos take that kinda approach ? I mean not like
they have anything to lose.Only in America if you wanna become rich all you have to do is work hard and invest .



Forget politics, USA in some period, same as we have here now. at leat Atlas Shrugged showed some. ha ha ha. The greatest USA woman came from USSR. Ayn Rand.  That is the virtue of USA.  I like to move to Lao, its regulations and rules are so blurred at any point. That is tricky part. Maybe, any country has its tricks I just dont know. 

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by ba dac on 4th Jun, 2013 at 11:00am

peterpan wrote on 4th Jun, 2013 at 10:37am:

ba dac wrote on 4th Jun, 2013 at 10:26am:

Beef Cake wrote on 4th Jun, 2013 at 4:10am:
Hey now please leave the greatest USA out of this conversation ;D :D :D :D.  The USA is the only true nation on planet Earth that allows individuals to have freedom to enhance themselves even if you are starting with nothing.


llX wrote on 3rd Jun, 2013 at 2:50pm:
Chinese is over populated. Doesn't matter what country, rich get richer poor get poorer. China, USA, Thailand or Laos. :)


Back in the late 1800 the United State took out ad  in some
of the european country for people to relocate in part of America.That's why you see alots of town in Texas that has deep root from Germany and such. What i'm getting at is why doesn't Laos take that kinda approach ? I mean not like
they have anything to lose.Only in America if you wanna become rich all you have to do is work hard and invest .



Forget politics, USA in some period, same as we have here now. at leat Atlas Shrugged showed some. ha ha ha. The greatest USA woman came from USSR. Ayn Rand.  That is the virtue of USA.  I like to move to Lao, its regulations and rules are so blurred at any point. That is tricky part. Maybe, any country has its tricks I just dont know. 


Money will open their eyes $$$ :o

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by peterpan on 4th Jun, 2013 at 11:23am
Money indeed made my eyes wide-open.  ;D ;D ;D


ba dac wrote on 4th Jun, 2013 at 11:00am:

peterpan wrote on 4th Jun, 2013 at 10:37am:

ba dac wrote on 4th Jun, 2013 at 10:26am:

Beef Cake wrote on 4th Jun, 2013 at 4:10am:
Hey now please leave the greatest USA out of this conversation ;D :D :D :D.  The USA is the only true nation on planet Earth that allows individuals to have freedom to enhance themselves even if you are starting with nothing.


llX wrote on 3rd Jun, 2013 at 2:50pm:
Chinese is over populated. Doesn't matter what country, rich get richer poor get poorer. China, USA, Thailand or Laos. :)


Back in the late 1800 the United State took out ad  in some
of the european country for people to relocate in part of America.That's why you see alots of town in Texas that has deep root from Germany and such. What i'm getting at is why doesn't Laos take that kinda approach ? I mean not like
they have anything to lose.Only in America if you wanna become rich all you have to do is work hard and invest .



Forget politics, USA in some period, same as we have here now. at leat Atlas Shrugged showed some. ha ha ha. The greatest USA woman came from USSR. Ayn Rand.  That is the virtue of USA.  I like to move to Lao, its regulations and rules are so blurred at any point. That is tricky part. Maybe, any country has its tricks I just dont know. 


Money will open their eyes $$$ :o


Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by Animist on 4th Jun, 2013 at 9:03pm
Would be helpful if rules and regulations in Laos are transparent.  I would estimate that water in Laos is about 80% muddy as of right now. 

Probably worse in China = 95% muddy? ;D

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by peterpan on 5th Jun, 2013 at 11:37am
Here we dont have muddy water, we have chemicalized crystal clear water. Which one you prefer?  ;D. I prefer muddy one ;D


Beef Cake wrote on 4th Jun, 2013 at 9:03pm:
Would be helpful if rules and regulations in Laos are transparent.  I would estimate that water in Laos is about 80% muddy as of right now. 

Probably worse in China = 95% muddy? ;D


Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by ba dac on 5th Jun, 2013 at 11:59am

peterpan wrote on 5th Jun, 2013 at 11:37am:
Here we dont have muddy water, we have chemicalized crystal clear water. Which one you prefer?  ;D. I prefer muddy one ;D


Beef Cake wrote on 4th Jun, 2013 at 9:03pm:
Would be helpful if rules and regulations in Laos are transparent.  I would estimate that water in Laos is about 80% muddy as of right now. 

Probably worse in China = 95% muddy? ;D



So true !

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by Animist on 5th Jun, 2013 at 8:23pm
Not sure about Laos and China's laws and regulations.  That's why I estimated them at about 80% 'muddy'.  Hopefully Laos can  become more transparent in the near future. 


Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by peterpan on 5th Jun, 2013 at 9:13pm
No way, just worse


Beef Cake wrote on 5th Jun, 2013 at 8:23pm:
Not sure about Laos and China's laws and regulations.  That's why I estimated them at about 80% 'muddy'.  Hopefully Laos can  become more transparent in the near future. 


Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by Animist on 5th Jun, 2013 at 9:37pm
Laos is worse than China?

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by peterpan on 5th Jun, 2013 at 10:15pm

Beef Cake wrote on 5th Jun, 2013 at 9:37pm:
Laos is worse than China?


In future, yes, worse than China. But now it is much much better than china. Just in water sector.

It is small, too many Aus mining companies.

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by Animist on 6th Jun, 2013 at 12:41am
I would think that Aussie companies have higher safety standards than Lao or China companies. 

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by peterpan on 6th Jun, 2013 at 9:45am

Beef Cake wrote on 6th Jun, 2013 at 12:41am:
I would think that Aussie companies have higher safety standards than Lao or China companies. 


When in Rome, we follow Roman laws. We tick off environmental friendly laws as cowboys are doing.  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by Animist on 6th Jun, 2013 at 8:31pm
It all breaks down to  common sense!

Go ahead and go cut a tree because we need lumbers.  If you have to, plant 3 more trees so we can use them for the future.

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by peterpan on 6th Jun, 2013 at 9:07pm

Beef Cake wrote on 6th Jun, 2013 at 8:31pm:
It all breaks down to  common sense!

Go ahead and go cut a tree because we need lumbers.  If you have to, plant 3 more trees so we can use them for the future.


This makes sense. Great contribution to my project. Good. This is workable.

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by peterpan on 6th Jun, 2013 at 9:19pm
In front of the monument, there are many stone benches with Beeline posts. Mobile Telecom? 

You can street view them.


Admin Saovaluck wrote on 20th May, 2013 at 1:50pm:

Vientiane in the old days

http://www.laopride.com/pictures3/vientiane-in-the-old-days1.jpg

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Old pictures of the Patuxay (Anousavali) monument


Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by Animist on 7th Jun, 2013 at 5:34pm
Beeline is a tree?

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by peterpan on 7th Jun, 2013 at 5:54pm
Don't know, like mobile company. A lot of ads in from of the monument

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by ba dac on 8th Jun, 2013 at 10:24am
Common sense goes out the door when the almighty $$$$ is
involve. ;)

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by llX on 9th Jun, 2013 at 12:40am
Absolute power corrupt. Nobody dare to speak out about authority and corruption. So rich get richer and poor get poorer :(


Beef Cake wrote on 5th Jun, 2013 at 8:23pm:
Not sure about Laos and China's laws and regulations.  That's why I estimated them at about 80% 'muddy'.  Hopefully Laos can  become more transparent in the near future. 


Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by Animist on 9th Jun, 2013 at 7:58pm
Talking about your favourite terms 'absolute power corrupt' the Barry Huslim Labamba administration (the USA) runs a 4th world type politics which by far is worse than 3rd world politics (IRS, Bengazi, Fast and Furious).

4th world politics is tribal type organization dated back to the stone age.  :laugh2 :laugh2 :laugh2 :laugh2

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by llX on 9th Jun, 2013 at 11:11pm
Money and power. It's addicted. Sad but true :)

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by ba dac on 10th Jun, 2013 at 10:15am

Beef Cake wrote on 9th Jun, 2013 at 7:58pm:
Talking about your favourite terms 'absolute power corrupt' the Barry Huslim Labamba administration (the USA) runs a 4th world type politics which by far is worse than 3rd world politics (IRS, Bengazi, Fast and Furious).

4th world politics is tribal type organization dated back to the stone age.  :laugh2 :laugh2 :laugh2 :laugh2



amen to that.this admi is so mess up.i'll be glad when he leave office.

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by Animist on 10th Jun, 2013 at 7:26pm
I bet y'all voted for Harry Huslim Labambi?  And I bet all Lao citizen voted for this dude.  Just wondering.

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by llX on 10th Jun, 2013 at 9:51pm
Who should I voted for Karl or Lenin  :applause

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by Animist on 11th Jun, 2013 at 12:30am

Did you voted  for Obama?

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by llX on 11th Jun, 2013 at 3:00pm
No because I'm an independent party. I like and don't like some of Dem or Rep party policy.


Beef Cake wrote on 11th Jun, 2013 at 12:30am:
Did you voted  for Obama?


Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by ba dac on 11th Jun, 2013 at 4:12pm

Beef Cake wrote on 11th Jun, 2013 at 12:30am:
Did you voted  for Obama?



If i did vote i would be voting the best candidate that qualify
for the job regardless of party.

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by peterpan on 11th Jun, 2013 at 6:45pm
Direct voting s my dream ;D

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by Animist on 11th Jun, 2013 at 9:14pm
So no candidates were good enough for your satisfactory needs?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Obama was re-elected because the public and mostly the media felt bad to have first black president to have destroyed the country through his first term.  They'd thought that this dude can redeem himself during his last term.   


ba dac wrote on 11th Jun, 2013 at 4:12pm:

Beef Cake wrote on 11th Jun, 2013 at 12:30am:
Did you voted  for Obama?



If i did vote i would be voting the best candidate that qualify
for the job regardless of party.


Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by peterpan on 11th Jun, 2013 at 10:42pm
The redemption happened? Or will happen?


Beef Cake wrote on 11th Jun, 2013 at 9:14pm:
So no candidates were good enough for your satisfactory needs?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Obama was re-elected because the public and mostly the media felt bad to have first black president to have destroyed the country through his first term.  They'd thought that this dude can redeem himself during his last term.   


ba dac wrote on 11th Jun, 2013 at 4:12pm:

Beef Cake wrote on 11th Jun, 2013 at 12:30am:
Did you voted  for Obama?



If i did vote i would be voting the best candidate that qualify
for the job regardless of party.


Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by Animist on 12th Jun, 2013 at 12:45am
No chance of redemption ;D.  Scandals popping up every week.  The sad thing is the media is in bed with this dude because of reparation probably.   :laugh2 :laugh2 :laugh2 :laugh2


Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by ba dac on 12th Jun, 2013 at 10:15am

Beef Cake wrote on 12th Jun, 2013 at 12:45am:
No chance of redemption ;D.  Scandals popping up every week.  The sad thing is the media is in bed with this dude because of reparation probably.   :laugh2 :laugh2 :laugh2 :laugh2


I know right. This admin really f up big time.

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by peterpan on 12th Jun, 2013 at 12:05pm

Beef Cake wrote on 12th Jun, 2013 at 12:45am:
No chance of redemption ;D.  Scandals popping up every week.  The sad thing is the media is in bed with this dude because of reparation probably.   :laugh2 :laugh2 :laugh2 :laugh2



He does not know how to suppress scandals. he needs sort of ...gate. ;D

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by ba dac on 12th Jun, 2013 at 6:21pm

ba dac wrote on 12th Jun, 2013 at 10:15am:

Beef Cake wrote on 12th Jun, 2013 at 12:45am:
No chance of redemption ;D.  Scandals popping up every week.  The sad thing is the media is in bed with this dude because of reparation probably.   :laugh2 :laugh2 :laugh2 :laugh2


3 millions verizion customer is suing the goverment including
the Obama admin. :applause

I know right. This admin really f up big time.


Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by Animist on 19th Jun, 2013 at 1:14am
I betcha that you voted him in again :laugh2 :laugh2 :laugh2 :laugh2

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by peterpan on 19th Jun, 2013 at 8:28am

Beef Cake wrote on 19th Jun, 2013 at 1:14am:
I betcha that you voted him in again :laugh2 :laugh2 :laugh2 :laugh2


you voted him out? ;D

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by Animist on 19th Jun, 2013 at 9:32am
I tried my best to help persuade 'white' folks to not vote for the existing president, but many 'white' folks stayed home.  :laugh2 :laugh2 :laugh2 :laugh2

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by ba dac on 19th Jun, 2013 at 10:18am
I'm guilty cause i didn't even vote 

Title: Re: Vientiane in the old days
Post by Animist on 19th Jun, 2013 at 9:01pm
Did not meant to a racist but I referred to 'white' folks as all people in the 'middle class'. 

Where is your realm?

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