Is there anything like this in Laos?

In Thailand people are sometimes called hi-so, or lo-so, meaning they're part of high society (or pretend to be), or low society.

I never noticed it in Laos, but I've only been there for about a week total (and just Vientiane). I'm curious because it really bothers me sometimes here. For example, I've had students see me eating Som Tam Thai (or Tam Lao), and khao nieow, and as they walk past they ask me "Sep ba?". Then they skitter off giggling thinking they made some really funny joke.

The other thing that I've read (but never experienced) is that sometimes if a farang is dating/married to someone who looks lo-so (i.e. darker skin), it can cause problems at work because the co-workers will look down on them.

So is there anything like this in Laos? I didn't really notice anything besides people liking lighter skin over darker skin (but that kinda goes for everywhere in Asia).

andddd I just realized I said "ho-so" in the title of this thread, lmao. Sorry guys, it's meant to say hi-so.

I have corrected it to "Hi-So" for you. :)

Many dark skinned women are happily married to their wonderful husbands in Laos, so not everybody looks at skin colour as an important feature.

The slang term "Hi-So" and "Lo-So" isn't really about one's skin colour, but more about how you act and also how much money you have.

Thailand even have a rock singer called "Sek Loso" for low society, and he made a name for himself.


http://www.laopride.com/pictures1/poo-sao.jpg

Haha, thanks :)

So you're saying it's not really an issue there?

Everywhere in the world the rich look down on poor. There's high class and low class in Laos. But not as bad as Thailand. It's well known that Bangkok look down and oppressed Lao Isan. When they say "sep ba" when you eat kao niew and papaya salad they're trying of make fun of you.
8-)

I know they're trying to make fun of me, that's why I said it bothered me :P

My small act of defiance is having a Lao flag patch stitched onto my bag that I bring to work, and drinking Beer Lao whenever possible.

That's funny JSEA ;D. Some rich Lao also look down on other ethnic minority.

Laos doesn't have any official 'class' systems anymore. We are all pinong. We use kinship terms when speaking or referring to each other, e.g. Brother/sister/uncle/aunty/granpa/grandma etc. You don't just go around calling someone by their name alone, like in the West; unless if they're your equal (same age range). I'm sure this is the same in Siam; but in Laos the extended family is very tight and impotant too!

I think they used to say 'kanoy'. I think it's some kind of royal thing but I have since forgoten the exact meaning. Since the Communist takeover Laos is now a republic. We are all equals. ;)

Since the Communist takeover Laos is now a republic. We are all equals, poor and underdeveloped you mean. Just kidding.
;D ;D :D

JSEA, If a westerner is dating or married to someone who looks lo-so, I don't think their co-workers will look down on them in Laos. If they do, then so be it, and don't worry about them. Everybody's got eyes, ears and a nose.

There are more westerners than ever before in Laos, and interracial dating and marriages are on the rise.

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 3^rd Apr, 2011 at 3:12am:

There are more westerners than ever before in Laos, and interracial dating and marriages are on the rise.

Is this good or bad? :-?

It depends on one's personal views. Is it good or bad for you?

I personally think it's good because most westerners based in Laos are educated people who are doing good for the country.

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 3^rd Apr, 2011 at 8:45am:

It depends on one's personal views. Is it good or bad for you? I personally think it's good because most westerners based in Laos are educated people who are doing good for the country.

It doesn't really concern me nang, since I don't reside in Laos.....yet.

How?

You don't really elaborate when giving your opinions.

Well, if you care about Laos then perhaps you have your own opinion too.

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 3^rd Apr, 2011 at 9:25am:

Well, if you care about Laos then perhaps you have your own opinion too.

Why do you keep doing this to me Valuck? :)
Why do you keep giving me these cryptic answers? This is akin to answering a question with another.
What am I to make of your answer?
My opinions in what regards?

Larb Dip wrote on 3^rd Apr, 2011 at 7:50am:

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 3rd Apr, 2011 at 3:12am: There are more westerners than ever before in Laos, and interracial dating and marriages are on the rise. Is this good or bad? :-?

I'm a westerner  :'(
Do you hate me now Larb Dip?


...Larb Gai is better anyway :P

JSEA wrote on 3^rd Apr, 2011 at 11:02am:

Larb Dip wrote on 3rd Apr, 2011 at 7:50am: Admin Saovaluck wrote on 3rd Apr, 2011 at 3:12am: There are more westerners than ever before in Laos, and interracial dating and marriages are on the rise. Is this good or bad? :-? I'm a westerner  :'( Do you hate me now Larb Dip? ...Larb Gai is better anyway :P

You're on the outside looking in, so your 2 cents are rejected here :P

Someone from the inside looking out would give a better impression.

Haha, fair enough.

The pictures below are classic examples of a Hi-So and Lo-So woman. Is a Hi-So and Lo-So status an important criteria for you, when choosing a woman to marry?



Hi-So (Hi-Society) woman

http://www.laopride.com/pictures1/hi-so-lao-girl-1.jpg

http://www.laopride.com/pictures1/hi-so-lao-girl-2.jpg






Lo-So (Lo-Society) woman

http://www.laopride.com/pictures1/lo-so-lao-girl-1.jpg

http://www.laopride.com/pictures1/lo-so-lao-girl-2.jpg

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 4^th Apr, 2011 at 6:09am:

The pictures below are classic examples of a Hi-So and Lo-So woman. Is a Hi-So and Lo-So status an important criteria for you, when choosing a woman to marry? Hi-So (Hi-Society) woman http://www.laopride.com/pictures1/hi-so-lao-girl-1.jpg http://www.laopride.com/pictures1/hi-so-lao-girl-2.jpg Lo-So (Lo-Society) woman http://www.laopride.com/pictures1/lo-so-lao-girl-1.jpg http://www.laopride.com/pictures1/lo-so-lao-girl-2.jpg

It didn't matter to me what social class Keo belonged to; I married her for the person she was inside and out.

That's nice, and I have no doubt that she is a beautiful person inside and out. Keo is a very popular nickname in Laos.

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 4^th Apr, 2011 at 6:09am:

The pictures below are classic examples of a Hi-So and Lo-So woman. Is a Hi-So and Lo-So status an important criteria for you, when choosing a woman to marry? Hi-So (Hi-Society) woman http://www.laopride.com/pictures1/hi-so-lao-girl-1.jpg http://www.laopride.com/pictures1/hi-so-lao-girl-2.jpg Lo-So (Lo-Society) woman http://www.laopride.com/pictures1/lo-so-lao-girl-1.jpg http://www.laopride.com/pictures1/lo-so-lao-girl-2.jpg

How do you truly 'know' their 'status'? I'm serious here.

Do you know them personally or are you just classing them based on their complexions?

I don't know the girls personally, and there is really no need to know them. Their appearance and/or complexion tells the story.

How about you Admins? Are you hi-so or lo-so. Koi pen kon ban nork der.
:o ::)

I consider myself a Hi-So. What are you?

I think you're too. You're city girl and college educated. I'm kon ban nork. Have you ever heard of "ban nam keing" or "ban cha leurn." that's where I'm from.  
 ;) :D

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 5^th Apr, 2011 at 5:05am:

I consider myself a Hi-So. What are you?

For me I consider myself a Lo-so.  I like to act and dress normal, living everyday life.  I don't need to impress anyone in the Hi-so even though I make a good income. :)

I believe that you're all a "Hi-So", but you guys prefer to live a "Lo-So" lifestyle.

I don't earn much money but I have other traits of a "Hi-So".

I make ok just to pay bills. When it come to money its never enough. But I like to spend money too that's one of the problem.
;D :D

Yes, but you spend it on your gadgets, and they are your assets that can be exchanged for cash on eBay if you need money.

I make very little money, and I have bills, so I never have enough left for shopping. But I always try to work hard and to the best of my abilities.

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 5^th Apr, 2011 at 6:49am:

I believe that you're all a "Hi-So", but you guys prefer to live a "Lo-So" lifestyle. I don't earn much money but I have other traits of a "Hi-So".

Like a different Louis Vuitton purse for each day of the week?
;D

I only have one purse because I usually don't go out anywhere, but I like luxury. I wouldn't ride a jumbo or tuk tuk for example. I don't like to share meals, if I have larp and soup etc, the bowl must be for myself. I don't like to be out in the sun unless I have a hat or umbrella, prefer to be in an air conditioned room, things like that.

I wouldn't ride a Tuk Tuk either, only motorcycle taxis for me!

Actually that's not quite true, in Laos the Tuk Tuk drivers are ok, in Thailand they are pretty much all thieves. Better to just get a metered taxi if traffic is ok. If it's bad motorcycle taxis are the way to go.

Lao jumbo/tuk tuk drivers are not thieves, but I still don't want to go on it anyway even if they gave me a free ride. I also don't like to ride motorbikes.

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 5^th Apr, 2011 at 6:49am:

I believe that you're all a "Hi-So", but you guys prefer to live a "Lo-So" lifestyle. I don't earn much money but I have other traits of a "Hi-So".

Such as? :-*

I have already mentioned some of them.

Nothing is wrong with that we all want luxury and comfortable life. Nobody want to be poor.
:o :D


Admin Saovaluck wrote on 5^th Apr, 2011 at 8:42am:

I only have one purse because I usually don't go out anywhere, but I like luxury. I wouldn't ride a jumbo or tuk tuk for example. I don't like to share meals, if I have larp and soup etc, the bowl must be for myself. I don't like to be out in the sun unless I have a hat or umbrella, prefer to be in an air conditioned room, things like that.

Yes. I understand your point of view Admins. Average Lao worker make about $81 a month. We Lao-American make ok money because USA is a developed and democracy country. Here women go crazy with purse, shoe and clothes because they have money to buy them. If you don't have money to buy something like nice car, you can do payment plan. That way most people can afford them.

When you buy something it make you happy, but after you got it you get bore. It just a waste of money to buy what you want. Not what you need. I go crazy with gadget because I grew up poor in Laos and didn't have much.
:o


Admin Saovaluck wrote on 5^th Apr, 2011 at 7:16am:

Yes, but you spend it on your gadgets, and they are your assets that can be exchanged for cash on eBay if you need money. I make very little money, and I have bills, so I never have enough left for shopping. But I always try to work hard and to the best of my abilities.

If there's a Hi-so and Lo-so...there's got to be a Mi-so, right?  :) I think it is just ridiculous how we all label ourselves.  This question is for the Admin.  When you see someone under dress(not to impress) or a dark skin, hideous looking, etc.. How do you go about treating them?  Do you treat them any different?  I figure Hi-so and Lo-so is based on Wallet, and even so how do we determine that?  I know in America we call Hi-so or wannabe "preps" based on how they speak or treat you.

I noticed during the 25th Sea game ceremony, the announcer Siriphone Southammavong sounded very preppy when she speaks (not normal).  However her co-announcer sounded fine.  Here's a You tube link for those that know what I'm talking about.  Her voice is really annoying.  It's funny when she does the news broadcasts she sounded fine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYHWDHyaODc

Hi-So and Lo-So is not always based on "wallet". It's how you act. Some poor girls come from the countryside into the city and act/live like a Hi-So, even though they don't have much money.

We don't treat dark skin people any differently to white skin people. And speaking of white, you look quite white.

She does sound annoying, but she is obviously someone who is very educated and she has confidence in public speaking.

There are Hi-so and Lo-so in Laos too, like everywhere else in the world. Nobody like you if you're poor. This world is about money and power.
:o 8-)


OMD wrote on 6^th Apr, 2011 at 8:39am:

If there's a Hi-so and Lo-so...there's got to be a Mi-so, right?  :) I think it is just ridiculous how we all label ourselves.  This question is for the Admin.  When you see someone under dress(not to impress) or a dark skin, hideous looking, etc.. How do you go about treating them?  Do you treat them any different?  I figure Hi-so and Lo-so is based on Wallet, and even so how do we determine that?  I know in America we call Hi-so or wannabe "preps" based on how they speak or treat you. I noticed during the 25th Sea game ceremony, the announcer Siriphone Southammavong sounded very preppy when she speaks (not normal).  However her co-announcer sounded fine.  Here's a You tube link for those that know what I'm talking about.  Her voice is really annoying.  It's funny when she does the news broadcasts she sounded fine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYHWDHyaODc

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 6^th Apr, 2011 at 9:03am:

Hi-So and Lo-So is not always based on "wallet". It's how you act. Some poor girls come from the countryside into the city and act/live like a Hi-So, even though they don't have much money. We don't treat dark skin people any differently to white skin people. And speaking of white, you look quite white. She does sound annoying, but she is obviously someone who is very educated and she has confidence in public speaking.

You are absolutely right about her.  She's very well educated and very fluent in her English.  I watched many of her news broadcasts, it sounded professional/normal.  When she was the announcer at the Sea Game I felt embarrass for her.  Who talks like that you know what I mean?  She's probably been watching too many preppy American teen movies or something and learning from them. :)  

In regards to my skin.  Yes, I'm white.  My family members are opposite from me.  It must be genetics who knows.  When I was younger i was tan, when I got older my skin became sensitive.  I tried tanning, but, end up getting burnt or heat rash.  

OMD wrote on 6^th Apr, 2011 at 8:39am:

If there's a Hi-so and Lo-so...there's got to be a Mi-so, right?  :) I think it is just ridiculous how we all label ourselves.  This question is for the Admin.  When you see someone under dress(not to impress) or a dark skin, hideous looking, etc.. How do you go about treating them?  Do you treat them any different?  I figure Hi-so and Lo-so is based on Wallet, and even so how do we determine that?  I know in America we call Hi-so or wannabe "preps" based on how they speak or treat you. I noticed during the 25th Sea game ceremony, the announcer Siriphone Southammavong sounded very preppy when she speaks (not normal).  However her co-announcer sounded fine.  Here's a You tube link for those that know what I'm talking about.  Her voice is really annoying.  It's funny when she does the news broadcasts she sounded fine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYHWDHyaODc

She sounded down-right Caucasian didn't she. 55555

Speaking of Caucasian, I wonder where the word comes from. I'm too tired to look and have to get up early to get my travel shots. (I am really getting excited now!)

[smiley=vrolijk_26.gif]

Anyway, the word Caucasian means white skin race, right? (sort of) but it has the word Asian in it. If no one looks it up for me, I guess I will do it later. Good-night everyone (on this side of the world, that is. 5555), good day to the rest of you!!!

;)

wrote on 7^th Apr, 2011 at 7:35am:

She sounded down-right Caucasian didn't she. 55555 Speaking of Caucasian, I wonder where the word comes from. I'm too tired to look and have to get up early to get my travel shots. (I am really getting excited now!) Anyway, the word Caucasian means white skin race, right? (sort of) but it has the word Asian in it. If no one looks it up for me, I guess I will do it later. Good-night everyone (on this side of the world, that is. 5555), good day to the rest of you!!! ;)

The term Caucasian race has been used to denote the general physical type of some or all of the populations of Europe, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, West Asia, Central Asia and South Asia.

Historically, the term has been used to describe the entire population of these regions, without regard necessarily to skin tone. In common use, specifically in American English, the term is sometimes restricted to Europeans and other lighter-skinned populations within these areas, and may be considered equivalent to the varying definitions of white people.

Sounds like profiling, doesn't it.   >:(

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 5^th Apr, 2011 at 8:42am:

I don't like to share meals, if I have larp and soup etc, the bowl must be for myself.

Really?

Is this just you that you're talking about here? Or are you describing the prefrences of the Hi-So class in general?

I don't know about you guys (the upper class), but everytime we (peasants) have a reunion/party etc.. everyone consumes their meals on the floor, assuming a sedentary position. I'm willing to bet you guys all break bread on tables.

Please respond. This is VERY intriguing.

I'm talking about me, but some locals do that too. In western countries, most people probably have their own plate.

I'm willing to have meals on the floor when there's no chairs and tables available especially in the countryside, but I don't like to sit on the floor though.

I like to sit on chairs with some cushion, not wooden chairs, but this chair is very innovative.


http://www.laopride.com/pictures1/wooden-chairs-in-laos.jpg

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 9^th Apr, 2011 at 11:01pm:

I'm willing to have meals on the floor when there's no chairs and tables available especially in the countryside, but I don't like to sit on the floor though. I like to sit on chairs with some cushion, not wooden chairs, but this chair is very innovative. http://www.laopride.com/pictures1/wooden-chairs-in-laos.jpg

Yes, I can just imagine that right now...........you slumped to one side while your legs, tucked behind you, are in the radius of the other.

Me, I can eat anywhere. Balancing food on my knees while seated on the couch watching sports is no problem for Yours Truly. But for the sake of my elders (old habits die hard!), who ALWAYS prefer to eat on the floor, that's how we usually eat. Upright with our legs crossed.

By the way, I don't think 'willing' is the right word to be used in such a dire predicament. How about substituting 'willing' with, say, 'forced'? That would paint an even clearer picture, don't you think?

I don't think that 'chair' is any good for anyone's posture, mate! You might end up with a crooked back! Hunchback style. The chairs adjacent would be of better health value. ;)

Are you giving us a glimpse into your castle? Very, VERY nice, indeed. :o

So you usually eat on the floor?

For me, if I am in my own home, it's always chair and tables for meals. I don't remember the last time I ate on the floor but it was definately a long time ago.

But yes, you're right, "forced" to sit on the floor is probably the right word when having meals with others who prefer sit on the floor. I don't like it, but I can put up with it, let me put it this way.

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 9^th Apr, 2011 at 11:56pm:

So you usually eat on the floor? For me, if I am in my own home, it's always chair and tables for meals. I don't remember the last time I ate on the floor but it was definately a long time ago. But yes, you're right, "forced" to sit on the floor is probably the right word when having meals with others who prefer sit on the floor. I don't like it, but I can put up with it, let me put it this way.

I eat anywhere. I don't really care, as long as the hunger is alleviated. I will even park up on the side of the road and pig out in my vehicle if it comes to that.


Are you just talking about you (again), or is this how your whole kin prefer to have your meals. You DID mention in a prior post, that you have a large immediate and extended family (I never forget anything nang!). You must own among your possesions a masive table, countless chairs, spoons/forks/knives/plates/bowls/chop sticks etc. To really make your lives less demanding, I'm also assuming that you have a servant or two?
Answer this one, since we are friends.

You sound too high maintenance for my liking. :D I don't think you even wear girb bay ee hih (flip flops/jandals/sandals etc). I literally have a bikini line wedged between my toes. I wear them everywhere. Eespecially in the summer months. I'll even wear them to the construction sites - on weekends, when no foremans are around.

So, is that your house, or what? ;)

All homes have kitchen utensils, regardless of their Hi-So or Lo-So status.

I don't have a servant, I can't afford one but I just use relatives as a servant when I need them. If I need things done such as my clothes washed, I don't do them myself, instead they are sent to a nearby business.

You're right, I don't wear those types of casual beach shoes. It's my relatives place. How can it be my place when I just said that I don't like wooden chairs? You'd think I'd have better chairs than those.

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 10^th Apr, 2011 at 1:26am:

All homes have kitchen utensils, regardless of their Hi-So or Lo-So status. I don't have a servant, I can't afford one but I just use relatives as a servant when I need them. If I need things done such as my clothes washed, I don't do them myself, instead they are sent to a nearby business. You're right, I don't wear those types of casual beach shoes. It's my relatives place. How can it be my place when I just said that I don't like wooden chairs? You'd think I'd have better chairs than those.

Of course everyone has utensils. I meant in abundance. You'd be surprised how many people still eat with their hands nang. Don't you eat Khao Niaw? Maybe you just stick to Khao Jaow so you don't get your hands dirty.

What the hell is this supposed to mean?:

"I don't have a servant, I can't afford one but I just use relatives as a servant when I need them."

You sound strereotypical Lao the more and more we correspond: very lazy! ;D
Are you seriously telling me they're all devoted to YOUR happiness alone?

What is considered 'casual' in your dress sense? What do you wear when just strolling out to the local store? We already know the public won't get a glimpse of that milky skin of yours.

Is that model your cousin then? You sound like the offspring of someone that has REAL influence in Laos, and not just deep pockets! I don't think you even have a job. You already have a substantial inheritance waiting for you, right?

From now on, I'm going to refer to you as 'seaw', like I do with all my Lao boys. If you don't mind that is. ;D

Yes, I usually eat "kaow jaow". That being said, I'm happy to eat "kaow neow" if I have to. But in terms of which rice I prefer to eat, it's "kaow jaow".

It's not that I'm lazy, I don't have time. My life is pretty hectic with work, so the household work is left for others to do. I can wear anything, as long as it's not ripped or old.

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 10^th Apr, 2011 at 3:01am:

Yes, I usually eat "kaow jaow". That being said, I'm happy to eat "kaow neow" if I have to. But in terms of which rice I prefer to eat, it's "kaow jaow". It's not that I'm lazy, I don't have time. My life is pretty hectic with work, so the household work is left for others to do. I can wear anything, as long as it's not ripped or old.

You sound more and more half Siamese. Are you?

So you DO have a job? I was beginning to think otherwise my dear. What do you REALLY do? You already know about the life story of Larb Dip.

You also used the word 'hectic'. Why is your life so 'hectic', seaw? Why do you need to move around so much? You know about my analytical mind already. Maybe your life really is as 'hectic' as you just described, so you just threw that word in because you were in a rush. You tell me.

Now, here's an off topic topic because you know how spontaneous your seaw can get:

Dou you ever get recognized in the streets? Is anybody like, "Hey, that's the admin'". Anybody asking for your autograph? Anything of the sort?

IS THAT MODEL YOUR COUSIN OR NOT?

I'm Lao, and my job is an article writer and obviously the admin of Lao Pride. It will be interesting to know what type of rice other members prefer to eat. If you were given the choice, would you choose steamed sticky rice (kaow neow) or boiled white rice (kaow jaow)?

I'm not Judy Garland or Elizabeth Taylor, why would anyone ask for my autograph?

Some people in the streets know me or recognize me, only those in the heart of Vientiane though, because that's where I live. They don't know that I am the admin because they don't use computers.

She is not my cousin and she is not a model.

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 10^th Apr, 2011 at 4:07am:

I'm Lao, and my job is an article writer and obviously the admin of Lao Pride. It will be interesting to know what type of rice other members prefer to eat. If you were given the choice, would you choose steamed sticky rice (kaow neow) or boiled white rice (kaow jaow)? I'm not Judy Garland or Elizabeth Taylor, why would anyone ask for my autograph? Some people in the streets know me or recognize me, only those in the heart of Vientiane though, because that's where I live. They don't know that I am the admin because they don't use computers. She is not my cousin and she is not a model.

I can eat any. I don't really favour one over the other. Whatever is served I will eat. Even if it was dog or cat. If I grew up eating that type of protein, then that's what I would eat. Still today!

Why not? ;D

I was referring to strangers - or rather, FANS. :D

How did she get into that mansion then?

I know that you can eat any rice, but I said if you were given the choice? I guess you will choose sticky rice because you're a "larp" lover.

I have no fans, and strangers in Vientiane don't know me.

It's just a normal house and not a mansion.

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 10^th Apr, 2011 at 5:16am:

I know that you can eat any rice, but I said if you were given the choice? I guess you will choose sticky rice because you're a "larp" lover. I have no fans, and strangers in Vientiane don't know me. It's just a normal house and not a mansion.

Okay. If someone happened to shove a gun in my face and I was staring down the barrel while that same someone presented me with the ultimatum: 'Khao Niaw of Khao jaow?',  I, too, would probably go with the tidier option. I'm gonna bet a dollar here, that you don't use your hands at all, while eating. True?

Is that a good thing or what?
What if I reccognized you in Vientiane? How would you like me to behave? Answer this one. You can't ignore this one. ;)

That's a mansion as far as I'm concerned. Lao standards, anyway. Unless you're saying there are real PROPER mansions in Laos.

Well, if I eat meals that require the use of hands such as sticky rice then I will use them. Most of the time, it's spoon, fork or chopsticks, depending on the food.

You won't recognise me because I'm always working indoors, but I like to associate with people with class and morals. I don't look down on anyone though.

Larb Dip wrote on 10^th Apr, 2011 at 6:02am:

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 10th Apr, 2011 at 5:16am: I know that you can eat any rice, but I said if you were given the choice? I guess you will choose sticky rice because you're a "larp" lover. I have no fans, and strangers in Vientiane don't know me. It's just a normal house and not a mansion. Okay. If someone happened to shove a gun in my face and I was staring down the barrel while that same someone presented me with the ultimatum: 'Khao Niaw of Khao jaow?',  I, too, would probably go with the tidier option. I'm gonna bet a dollar here, that you don't use your hands at all, while eating. True? Is that a good thing or what? What if I reccognized you in Vientiane? How would you like me to behave? Answer this one. You can't ignore this one. ;) That's a mansion as far as I'm concerned. Lao standards, anyway. Unless you're saying there are real PROPER mansions in Laos.

This I know for a fact, she'll definitely avoid you at all costs knowing the type of person you are. LOL  As for the rest of us, I think she avoid us as well and turn the other cheek if we are recognizable to her from the website.

As for sweet rice and jasmine rice, I like both depending on the types of food we serve.  Jasmine rice is really good with stir fried foods and variation of soups.  Sweet rice is good with larb, au lam, mook, and jeal.  As for bbq both are good with it.  :)

Give me sticky-rice any day of the week, and yes I use my fingers. That is proper etiquette; I can't imagine trying to eat it any other way. Forks, spoons and chopsticks won't do. And forget eating it with power tools, like you would eat spaghetti, it just can't be done.

Oh yea, I think I have consumed more than my share of Johnnie Walker tonight. Sorry for that, and sorry I couldn't share with you all.

29 days to go!

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 10^th Apr, 2011 at 6:36am:

You won't recognise me. I don't look down on anyone though.

Sounds like you do a bit of airbrushing. Is that why I won't recognize you? Judging from some of your responses, it doesn't sound like you hold yourself in such high esteem.

Since nobody really knows what 'Lard Dip' looks like, I may still have a chance to meet my idol, the Laopride.com admin'. (I will change my motto to make it official). Masquerading as a Thai tourist might get the job done.

That does sound like a bit of prejudice there nang.
Doesn't matter though, I'm a big boy and can take a hint. I know when I'm not welcome. ;D

OMD wrote on 10^th Apr, 2011 at 6:49am:

Larb Dip wrote on 10th Apr, 2011 at 6:02am: Admin Saovaluck wrote on 10th Apr, 2011 at 5:16am: I know that you can eat any rice, but I said if you were given the choice? I guess you will choose sticky rice because you're a "larp" lover. I have no fans, and strangers in Vientiane don't know me. It's just a normal house and not a mansion. Okay. If someone happened to shove a gun in my face and I was staring down the barrel while that same someone presented me with the ultimatum: 'Khao Niaw of Khao jaow?',  I, too, would probably go with the tidier option. I'm gonna bet a dollar here, that you don't use your hands at all, while eating. True? Is that a good thing or what? What if I reccognized you in Vientiane? How would you like me to behave? Answer this one. You can't ignore this one. ;) That's a mansion as far as I'm concerned. Lao standards, anyway. Unless you're saying there are real PROPER mansions in Laos. This I know for a fact, she'll definitely avoid you at all costs knowing the type of person you are. LOL  As for the rest of us, I think she avoid us as well and turn the other cheek if we are recognizable to her from the website. As for sweet rice and jasmine rice, I like both depending on the types of food we serve.  Jasmine rice is really good with stir fried foods and variation of soups.  Sweet rice is good with larb, au lam, mook, and jeal.  As for bbq both are good with it.  :)

I already knew I had NO chance of getting a favourable reply. I just wanted to see if she had any class her self. She passed the test. A real lady. :D

What's up with this 'sweet' rice, man? You guys don't call it 'sticky' up in Huay Xay?

With som tam, definitely kaow nieow. With gaeng paneng curry, kaow jaow for sure.

If I had a gun to my head, kaow nieow. Makes a good snack when walking from MRT to BTS stations too.

Eat with my fingers, the right way :P

Larb Dip, I'm gonna start calling you Lord Dip BTW because you are obviously hi-so ;P

http://www.laopride.com/pictures1/lao-sticky-rice-1.jpg


http://www.laopride.com/pictures1/lao-sticky-rice-2.jpg

http://www.laopride.com/pictures1/lao-sticky-rice-3.jpg

JSEA wrote on 10^th Apr, 2011 at 3:15pm:

With som tam, definitely kaow nieow. With gaeng paneng curry, kaow jaow for sure. If I had a gun to my head, kaow nieow. Makes a good snack when walking from MRT to BTS stations too. Eat with my fingers, the right way :P Larb Dip, I'm gonna start calling you Lord Dip BTW because you are obviously hi-so ;P

I agree. Khao Jaow when eating gaang (soup/curry etc). Otherwise you would just be sucking the juice off your fingers if you had it with Khao niaw.

I like your style more and more each time you post, bro. ;)

Don't worry about those Siamese 'Hi-So' looking down on you, mate.

'Lord Dip' sounds REAL good. Especially rolling off a Falang tongue. I can take the bantering. However, if it came out of a Lao mouth, I might have to throw a few punches here and there. I can't take sarcasm. ;D

You can still eat soup and curry with sticky rice. Use your hands for rice, and spoon for the soup/curry.
 
This is the 21st century. Maybe you should call our neighbours across the Mekong as Thais, instead of Siamese.

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 11^th Apr, 2011 at 12:02am:

You can still eat soup and curry with sticky rice. Use your hands for rice, and spoon for the soup/curry.   This is the 21st century. Maybe you should call our neighbours across the Mekong as Thais, instead of Siamese.

That's not how it's done traditionally, mate. it just wouldn't look right, right?

Okay. Anything for you. ;)

It's done traditionally for many centuries in Laos.

In "Lo-So" meals, usually there's a bowl of soup in the middle to be shared. Everyone is given a spoon for the soup.

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 11^th Apr, 2011 at 12:02am:

You can still eat soup and curry with sticky rice. Use your hands for rice, and spoon for the soup/curry.   This is the 21st century. Maybe you should call our neighbours across the Mekong as Thais, instead of Siamese.

We should called them Tai or Siamese barbarians. Just joking.
;D ;D :D

Larb Dip wrote on 10^th Apr, 2011 at 7:57am:

OMD wrote on 10th Apr, 2011 at 6:49am: Larb Dip wrote on 10th Apr, 2011 at 6:02am: Admin Saovaluck wrote on 10th Apr, 2011 at 5:16am: I know that you can eat any rice, but I said if you were given the choice? I guess you will choose sticky rice because you're a "larp" lover. I have no fans, and strangers in Vientiane don't know me. It's just a normal house and not a mansion. Okay. If someone happened to shove a gun in my face and I was staring down the barrel while that same someone presented me with the ultimatum: 'Khao Niaw of Khao jaow?',  I, too, would probably go with the tidier option. I'm gonna bet a dollar here, that you don't use your hands at all, while eating. True? Is that a good thing or what? What if I reccognized you in Vientiane? How would you like me to behave? Answer this one. You can't ignore this one. ;) That's a mansion as far as I'm concerned. Lao standards, anyway. Unless you're saying there are real PROPER mansions in Laos. This I know for a fact, she'll definitely avoid you at all costs knowing the type of person you are. LOL  As for the rest of us, I think she avoid us as well and turn the other cheek if we are recognizable to her from the website. As for sweet rice and jasmine rice, I like both depending on the types of food we serve.  Jasmine rice is really good with stir fried foods and variation of soups.  Sweet rice is good with larb, au lam, mook, and jeal.  As for bbq both are good with it.  :) I already knew I had NO chance of getting a favourable reply. I just wanted to see if she had any class her self. She passed the test. A real lady. :D What's up with this 'sweet' rice, man? You guys don't call it 'sticky' up in Huay Xay?

Sweet or Glutinous is the same as sticky rice (kao neil).  I'm just using an English name for it. :)

http://www.laopride.com/pictures1/lo-so.jpg

Don't tell me manes are back in nang.

Flicking through some of my photo albums, I noticed all my male kin used to sport mullets back in the day (25 - 30 years ago). Are they back in?

In Auckland - especially in the 'darker' areas of Manukau - 2/3 of the pubaos grow rat tails. Once it's plated and is draped across your shoulder it looks quite 'hot'.

Very few men in Laos have long hair these days. The mullet hairstyle belong in the 80's and that's where it should stay, unless you're a rockstar.

Has this trend spread into Laos yet?

I have already said that about two-thirds guys in Manukau possess one.

Pretty 'hot' right? You can be honest nang.

Is it hot or not the way it just hangs when it's braided like that.

Here's a picture of a guy sporting a rat tail:

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Laos like Korean and Japanese hairstyle. For me I like army haircut, nice and short.
:D :o

I'm only talking about the tail and not his haircut.

Well, if you have a rat tail hairstyle in Laos then people will look at you as a "Lo-So".

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 15^th Apr, 2011 at 6:09am:

Well, if you have a rat tail hairstyle in Laos then people will look at you as a "Lo-So".

Why? Sounds very judgemental!

So which hairstyles do the 'Hi-So' prefer, then?

A good clean hairstyle. That guys hairstyle is fine, minus the rat tail.

Has the trend started in Laos yet? Seen any pubao with a rat tail before? This could be a big hit. :D

I know the 'Hi-So' like to style their hair this way and that. Comb it here, comb it there. Part it this way, part it that way. Not quite my thing. These guys must take as long as girls just to get prepared for a night out.

No, it's not a fashion in Laos. I don't like it either.

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 15^th Apr, 2011 at 11:36pm:

No, it's not a fashion in Laos. I don't like it either.

Not yet it's not. Wait until some Kiwis go over. I'm sure there will be a few biters for sure. By the way, the rat tail only looks good on the guys with the darker complexions and the high cheekbones. The MASCULINE looking Lao guys. I've seen a few guys with the lighter tones with the tight-eyed 'asian' look sport one. It just doesn't look right.

YOU don't like the tail? Or you just don't like the idea of having to BRAID your mans tail twicw a day? ;D ;D ;D

We don't follow Kiwi fashion in Laos.

I don't like the tail, and I'm sorry but I'm nobody's servant.

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 16^th Apr, 2011 at 12:47am:

We don't follow Kiwi fashion in Laos. I don't like the tail, and I'm sorry but I'm nobody's servant.

I see why you don't have a man. Not with that type of mentality you won't get one.

Maybe I don't need a man, not now anyway.

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 16^th Apr, 2011 at 4:44am:

Maybe I don't need a man, not now anyway.

Are you conniving again nang? Is the door ajar? Make sure you hang on tight. Hug me with all your might when we go over those potholes. You wouldn't want to fall off my new bicycle would you?

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Don't dream too much, or you might end up falling off the bicycle yourself.

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 16^th Apr, 2011 at 7:44am:

Don't dream too much, or you might end up falling off the bicycle yourself.

If it's to break YOUR fall, of course. Anything for you, you know that. :)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

In the rural areas, the inhabitants are classed as, 'Tai ban nork'.

What's the urban equivalent? Are cosmopolitans classed as, 'Tai nai meang'?

It sounds right to me. But, maybe I'm wrong.

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 16^th Apr, 2011 at 7:44am:

Don't dream too much, or you might end up falling off the bicycle yourself.

Or he might end up shooting some bollock bile all over his greasy little guts

Yes "tai nai meuang" refers to urban citizens.

What about those caught in the middle? What Tai are they?

There's no middle. You're either classified as being a rural (ban nork) or urban (nai meuang) person.

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 19^th May, 2011 at 4:10am:

There's no middle. You're either classified as being a rural (ban nork) or urban (nai meuang) person.

Really? Is that right?

Here's something that has popped into mind just now:

Are all Tai nai meuang Hi-So, and all Tai ban nork Lo-So?

No, we're not all rich, or act rich in the city.

There are also Hi-So people in rural areas.

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 20^th May, 2011 at 2:11am:

No, we're not all rich, or act rich in the city. There are also Hi-So people in rural areas.

Is that so?

How can I - a peasant offspring - upgrade myself into Hi-So status like you?

You're into "gloves" when touching food, so you already have a trait of a "Hi-So".


http://www.laopride.com/pictures1/city-lao-girls.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIuckCLCetw

Is this a typical Hi-So home in Laos?

Well, it certainly looks like a big house owned by someone who is wealthy.

How much would it cost to own a house like this in Laos?

How about the furniture?

It depends where it's located. Houses in the city of Vientiane are very expensive.

The name of the video is "jennilao thakhek", so if that house is located in Thakhek, which is a rural town in southern Laos, it wouldn't be as expensive compared to houses in the city.

Alright, how much would it cost for a house like this in Vientiane City?

I want a house with similar decor: littered with an excess amount of furniture.

A house like what?

I can't see a house to give you an estimation. All I can see is one room. I don't know how many rooms there are, and I don't know the size of the house and lawn area.

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 21^st Aug, 2011 at 3:00pm:

A house like what? I can't see a house to give you an estimation. All I can see is one room. I don't know how many rooms there are, and I don't know the size of the house and lawn area.

Okay then, let's get creative.

Let us imagine - using their living room as the prototype of our fantasy - that this is a 3 bedroom home. It has at least 1 garage. (Are there such things in Laos?) It is also in the city, within convenient access to ALL amenities. The house is also closed off with a gate. Like I said earlier today, furnished in a similar decor as Jenny Thakhek's.

How much would that cost?

Well, if you like to imagine things then you might as well imagine the price yourself.

I don't know what the kitchen and bathroom looks like, the size of the house and how spacious is the lawn area, if any. There's too many variables to determine its value, that's why interested buyers go to observe a house, in order to see the whole interior and exterior.

The more I think about it, it's probably a business than a house in the video.

Can I buy a modern house in Laos - like that one - for $1000,000?


Admin Saovaluck wrote on 22^nd Aug, 2011 at 3:17am:

I don't know what the kitchen and bathroom looks like, the size of the house and how spacious is the lawn area, if any. There's too many variables to determine its value, that's why interested buyers go to observe a house, in order to see the whole interior and exterior.

I didn't know you were a real estate agent.


Admin Saovaluck wrote on 22^nd Aug, 2011 at 3:17am:

The more I think about it, it's probably a business than a house in the video.

What kind of business?

Larb Dip wrote on 22^nd Aug, 2011 at 4:36am:

Can I buy a modern house in Laos - like that one - for $1000,000?

Your guess is as good as anyone elses. I can't see the building to give my estimation.




Larb Dip wrote on 22^nd Aug, 2011 at 4:36am:

I didn't know you were a real estate agent.

No, but I've lived in Laos long enough to have a general idea of a home's value.





Larb Dip wrote on 22^nd Aug, 2011 at 4:36am:

What kind of business?

It could be any kind business, or home, or home and business together. That's the thing, I don't know just by looking at a group of girls eating.

What about these guys then? Are they Hi-So or Lo-So?

They live quite comfortable, don't they.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJnCH18io2k

I don't consider this Lao family a Hi-So or Lo-So, but they live more comfortably than many people in Laos.

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 3^rd Sep, 2011 at 11:47am:

I don't consider this Lao family a Hi-So.

Why not?

Is it because they're not light skinned like you?

Skin colour is irrelevant. Just by looking inside some areas of their house and the wife's sewing job tells the story.

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 4^th Sep, 2011 at 4:52am:

Skin colour is irrelevant.

Then why did you write this then:


Admin Saovaluck wrote on 5^th Apr, 2011 at 2:11am:

I don't know the girls personally, and there is really no need to know them. Their appearance and/or complexion tells the story.

http://www.laopride.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.cgi?num=1301744283/15

By the way, what was wrong with her face?


Admin Saovaluck wrote on 4^th Sep, 2011 at 4:52am:

Just by looking inside some areas of their house and the wife's sewing job tells the story.

Why don't you give me a run down of the prerequisites then, before one can even consider himself Hi-So!

What must his household be in possession of?

There's nothing wrong with her face. They're not poor like I said, but they're not a Hi-So family either.

Their floor tiles looks cheap, they own wooden chairs and I can't see any car or computer. They also say they don't have a proper garden, so their place is obviously small.

I have already asked for your judgement on two homes of contrasting styles; which you have sternly refuted.

Perhaps you could show us what a typical Hi-So home looks like?

Why aren't houses lined with carpets in Laos? :-?

It's not certain that your first video is a home. Your second video doesn't look like a Hi-So home to me.

Carpets are very hard to keep clean in a dusty country like Laos, so the flooring is usually tiles, cement or wood.

Middle-class family ;).

What the heck is Sep Ba?