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Title: My wife and me Post by Chris Cotton on 17th Jan, 2011 at 9:46am
Hi everyone,
My name is Chris. I work in Hong Kong and my wife is from Laos. We met 9 months ago in Laos and decided to get married. However, Lao laws regarding marriage of a Laotian and a foreigner seemed a bit of a nightmare. I'm from New Zealand by he way. In December I got a visitor visa for my then girlfriend to come to Hong Kong for 2 weeks. In the time she was here we got married under Hong Kong law. I'm now in the process of applying for a dependancy visa for her to stay with me here permanently. There was still the issue of how my wife and I would live legally together in Laos in the future. Well, last week we went to the Laos consulate in Hong Kong and they were very nice. We gave them my wife's paperwork and within 24 hours they had translated the marriage certificate, certified that it was a legally registered marriage in Hong Kong, and stamped it. On Saturday my wife returned to laos and an hour or so ago she went into the Ministry of Foreign Affairs t o see about getting our marriage legally registered in Vientiane. 700,000 Kip later and 2 hours of waiting, and our translated copies of the Hong Kong marriage certificate have been stamped by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. A happy day indeed. Quick, painless and it means we don't have to go through all the BS of getting married in Laos and all the paperwork that goes with it. It will be nice to be legal next time my wife and I are in Laos together. Cheers all. Looking forward to chatting with you on this forum sometime. Chris |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Lao Pride Administrator on 17th Jan, 2011 at 7:44pm
Welcome aboard Chris, and that's a beautiful photo of you and your wife. Congratulations on your marriage, and I wish both of you a long and happy life together.
Yes, the paperwork that Lao authorities require from foreigners seems too much. They don't make it easy, this is mostly in order to protect their citizens. It's nice to know that everything worked out well with your marriage in Hong Kong, and that the Lao Ministry of Foreign Affairs has approved your marriage. Won't they allow you to live in Laos as a legal non-citizen resident? Maybe apply for a long stay visa, or Lao citizenship is another option. |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Chris Cotton on 17th Jan, 2011 at 9:17pm
Thanks admin.
As for living in Laos and visas etc, I haven't given it a lot of thought really. The plan is to work here in Hong Kong for a while to save money, then go back and live in Laos in a few years time. We have started building a house in Vientiane which we'll rent out (once it's finished) until we decide to move back to laos permanently. |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Lao Pride Administrator on 17th Jan, 2011 at 10:16pm
Just take each day as it comes, and the future will take care of itself. Living in Laos will be more laid-back than the fast-paced lifestyle of Hong Kong.
Renting out your house is a great way to earn extra income. |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Lao Democratic Republic on 18th Jan, 2011 at 6:54am
Good plan Chris and good luck.
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Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Lao Democratic Republic on 18th Jan, 2011 at 6:57am
Congratulation Chris. I wish you and your wife happiness, health and success.
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Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Rolf on 19th Jan, 2011 at 8:07am
Congratulations Chis, I am also a Kiwi, but I live in Chongqing in China and my wife is from this town, 10 times the population of New Zealand. I don't know much about Laos - yet, but if it is anything like other parts of Asia, the home is a woman's domain, your just a valued guest. Not as bad as it may sound, quite good actually, Asian women are incredibly skillful and talented in that respect. So to say, since she decided she wanted it this way, and it was your idea anyway, there is not room for an argument, is there. We may come to Laos later, I hope, and learn to know the country a bit better. :D
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Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Lao Dreamer on 29th Jan, 2011 at 1:16pm
Congratulations Chris to both of you! it was amazing to know how easy it was for you to get married to a Lao citizen and especially it only cost you Kip 700,000. I am a Lao person who had spent years trying to get approval from the Lao Government to marry a foreigner, let alone thousands of US$ over the years....hate to think about it.
Seems like you both are very lucky and happy couple indeed. All the best for the future. Cheers |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by krisuk on 30th Jan, 2011 at 2:34pm
hi chris my names kris im from england and i have a laoation girlfriend near savannakhet im 24 and she is 26 her name is khamseng and i would like to find out how to take her to england for a holiday but as were not married is this a problem? any information would be greatly appreciated. thank you
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Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Lao Dreamer on 30th Jan, 2011 at 5:36pm
Hi Kris, I'm a Lao person living in London. My niece got married to an English man 6 years ago. So, I know pretty well how you could get your Lao girlfriend over to UK for a holiday.
It's pretty straight forward if your girlfriend applies for a visit visa. You have to write a formal invitation to invite her to visit you in the UK with all her expenses taken care of by you. You can contact the home office to get some advice as well if you like. If she applies for a tourist visa, then she needs to have a lot of money in the bank to prove that she can afford all the expenses to include all travelling and living expenses over the period she stays in the UK. It is quite complicated and required a lot of paperwork I have to say. Hope this helps krisuk wrote on 30th Jan, 2011 at 2:34pm:
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Title: Re: My wife and me Post by krisuk on 30th Jan, 2011 at 7:53pm
thank you very much lao dreamer for the information about the different visas available to us.
I will let you know of our progress on the visas and agin thank you kris :) |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by longhang on 31st Jan, 2011 at 10:46pm
gotta admit im jealous lolz cute wifey...
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Title: Re: My wife and me Post by I Air on 8th Feb, 2011 at 5:51pm
First off, congrats on the happy couple !! I wish you two nothing but the best.
I have to admit that I am truly astounded and SHOCKED that it went that smooth. I am assuming that the key was getting the " stamp " from the consulate in Hong Kong???? Thus, a smooth stamp in Vientiane ? I have a girlfriend in Vientiane that off and on, started the research of legally marrying her ( though my research was not that extensive ) and based from what I've found, it is very difficult because the Lao embassies abroad will NOT stamp the marriage if a Lao citizen marries outside the country. They sure don't do it in Thailand ( I think ). Could this be your luck or a new policy? I am a US Citizen. And here is the kicker....., I was born in Laos. Yes, a Lao-American that has to watch his back when I am around my girl in Laos. Please let me know. Thanks |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Chris Cotton on 9th Feb, 2011 at 5:52am I Air wrote on 8th Feb, 2011 at 5:51pm:
Thanks for the post I Air. I've just been into the Lao embassy here in HK to confirm everything is ok. I showed them the stamped document from the MOFA in Vientiane. It was the same guy who originally gave me the stamp when we first got married. He said everything is OK and we are now legally registered in laos. I guess getting the original stamp in HK was the crucial bit. Very easy...just had to provide my wife's birth certificate, a police clearance certificate from Laos, a document that showed where she lived in Laos, and a document showing she was single in Laos before. We had these already and they were stamped by the village chief so everything went smoothly. They also did everything they needed to in one day instead of the normal 3 days. Spoke a bit of my basic Lao as well which he seemed to like. :) Cheers Chris |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Chris Cotton on 3rd Mar, 2011 at 11:03am
Just a quick update for all out there.
The wife just got her dependant visa approved for Hong Kong so she can now stay with me as long as I am here in HK. It has been hard not being together from pretty much after we got married. But now the visa is here, I'll go and pick her up from laos at Easter, do some family stuff with her (including sin sot) and then be back here. Cheers all Chris |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Lao Pride Administrator on 4th Mar, 2011 at 2:34am
I'm glad everything went smoothly, and that you'll be together soon.
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Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Larb Dip on 4th Mar, 2011 at 6:51am
Congratulations Chris. I have a mate (also in NZ) who went back to Laos to get married. After 3 years she still hasn't left Laos to join him. I don't know who's responsibility it is: the NZ government or their Lao counterparts. After paying a hefty dowry, he is frustrated that his "investment" hasn't yet come to fruition. Maybe it's because he doesn't pay any taxes: he works under the table. Good money too.
By the way I was just wondering, bro, if you had to pay a dowry? Do Lao pa-phee-nee (customs) apply when it comes to khon-dang-pathet (foreigners)? |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Tee on 4th Mar, 2011 at 7:08am
if he can't declare his income! NZ and Laos Government will ever going to let her in. Maybe,that what your mate want...so he is free in NZ. hahahahaha... :D
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Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Larb Dip on 4th Mar, 2011 at 7:46am
How about if someone else sponsors her? Maybe one of his relatives? Maybe then he can have some fun? What do you think?
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Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Chris Cotton on 4th Mar, 2011 at 1:18pm Larb Dip wrote on 4th Mar, 2011 at 6:51am:
Dowry is a gold necklace for her dad (about 30,000 Baht approx ) and some food and drink (another 30,000 Baht approx) What do you mean by 'investment'? |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Lao Pride Administrator on 4th Mar, 2011 at 8:04pm
For those who are not familiar with the Thai baht currency, 30,000 baht is approximately $1,000 US dollars.
For gold measurements used in Laos and Thailand, that's approximately 3 baht gold necklace for dowry, and $1,000 for food and drinks, which is fair for a typical Lao wedding. |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Larb Dip on 5th Mar, 2011 at 6:37am wrote on 4th Mar, 2011 at 1:18pm:
The punctuation "speaks" for itself: his word, not mine:p |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Larb Dip on 6th Mar, 2011 at 4:08am
Chris, I was just wondering if your wife can speak English?
Hows the communication? |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Bill on 6th Mar, 2011 at 9:06am
Chris that is awesome news! Congratulations to you and your beautiful wife! I too recently married the love of my life Keomany. We have sent all our paperwork to the Lao Embassy in Washington, D.C. I am not sure if we will move to Vientiane in the future, but we are going to Laos in May for a formal ceremony of marriage and to meet the new members of my family. Sokdee, take care.
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Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Chris Cotton on 6th Mar, 2011 at 9:28am
Larb Dip - Communication is good. Her English is very limited but we both speak Thai well. I'm learning Lao and my thai speaking doesn't hurt in that respect. When my wife is here, I'll teach her English.
Bill - Thanks mate. I'm glad u r happy too. Good luck. Chris |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Larb Dip on 7th Mar, 2011 at 3:34am
Kia Ora Chris. I just wast to know one thing, my man: how'd you and your wife meet? Can you give a fellow Kiwi any pointers. I think I need to go and woo MYSELF a housewife. Any tips would be very much appreciated. (I read they like to have good conversaions. But then, who doesn't).
Thanks. |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Chris Cotton on 7th Mar, 2011 at 10:38am
My advice would be to learn the Lao language. Then it will be easier to meet girls. Luckily my wife spoke Thai (as I didn't speak Lao) so when I first tried talking to her, we were able to converse. Then we just went from there.
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Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Larb Dip on 7th Mar, 2011 at 4:16pm
My Lao is ALMOST fluent. No problems for me, my man, in the communications department. How did you break the ice?
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Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Bill on 7th Mar, 2011 at 7:31pm
I myself was luck that my wife had been in the US for about 5 years and spoke pretty fair English. I am now learning Lao, abet slowly, but I am learning.
@ Larb Dip - I hope you are looking for more than a housewife. @ Chris - That is some sound advice mate. Learn the language first. Oh, maybe someone ought to tell Larb Dip about sin sod also, that is if he isn't familiar with that custom. |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Chris Cotton on 7th Mar, 2011 at 8:15pm Larb Dip wrote on 7th Mar, 2011 at 4:16pm:
By talking to her. That's generally how most people break the ice. |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Larb Dip on 8th Mar, 2011 at 8:23am wrote on 7th Mar, 2011 at 8:15pm:
Hahaha. A bit of Kiwi tongue-in-cheek. But seriously now: What was your opening line? And the "clincher?" |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Larb Dip on 9th Mar, 2011 at 9:37am wrote on 7th Mar, 2011 at 7:31pm:
I am assuming from your Romanisation, that you are referring to a womans chastity? What about it? |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Old Man on 10th Mar, 2011 at 8:21am Larb Dip wrote on 9th Mar, 2011 at 9:37am:
He's talking about the dowry you would have to pay to the family of a prospective Lao wife. |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by chuck on 10th Mar, 2011 at 5:38pm
Hi everyone, I am Chuck from Malaysia and I am new to the forum. I was so lucky to have found this forum by google-ing (lao dowry).
My apology for crashing into this thread but I guess I can get some useful information to help me out with the paperwork for my marriage. I have a Laotian girlfriend whom I want to marry this year probably my first visit to Laos this April. I need some advice on the paperwork from experienced people here. I plan to bring my girl over to Malaysia with me and register here but now that I am going to Laos she wants me to hold a simple and small banquet in her village and get our marriage registered in Laos. I've done my research and I supposed I need my Single Status declaration letter, but is there any other documents that I need? I don't plan to stay in Laos though. As for her part, she is a divorcee and I need to have her divorce decree and Single Status declaration letter translated into english. Where do I get the Single Status Letter from? I was told that her divorce decree is with the village chief though. Will I have any difficulties getting the approval to marry her? Or should I register my marriage in Malaysia first before I register in Laos for better chance? By the way, can anyone tell me how much is a decent amount for dowry and an estimation of how much is the cost for a small banquet? Please help me out with this :) many thanks |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Chris Cotton on 10th Mar, 2011 at 8:48pm
Hi Chuck
As for my wife, I think she got her single status cert. stamped by the village head. As for where she got the cert., I'll ask her today and get back to you later (she's in laos at the moment). I think the form may have come from the village head as well. Process I followed was easy. 1. Got married in Hong Kong 2. Registered marriage with Lao embassy in HK (had to show police clearance cert, proof of residence, single status, birth cert - all these docs only for her. I only had to show passport and marriage cert). Guy at embassy said we should have shown all these things before we got married but it didn't matter. He then translated the mariage cert overnight and stamped it. 3. Took translated marriage cert to mofa in Vientiane and got it stamped by them Details of our marriage were then entered into their computer. Dowry and some food/drink for the in laws - my wife says about 60,000 baht all up (2000 usd). Gold necklace for my father in law (approx 30,000 baht and 30,000 for food/drink). Cheers Chris |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Lao Pride Administrator on 11th Mar, 2011 at 12:51am
Chuck, $2,000 USD is a decent total for dowry and meals, for a wedding in Laos.
I'm not familiar with Malaysia, but some countries have a Marriage Register office (or similar), that will have a record of your marital status. They can issue you with a letter stating that you're single. |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by William Kelley on 11th Mar, 2011 at 8:23am chuck wrote on 10th Mar, 2011 at 5:38pm:
Chuck congratulations on your engagement and soon to be marriage. I wish the best to you both!!! I am sorry I can not help you with any information. My wife already was living here in the USA when we met. She had divorced a Lao man (US citizen), it was he that brought her and 2 of her children over from Laos. (I thank him for that.) As for the dowry, 2 to 3 thousand USD is what I was told is the norm. If the girl is from a very well to do family, very educated, etc., the price will be expected to be much more, so I am told. Again I wish you all the best!!! Sokdee. La gohn. BTW, here is a picture of my wife and I, so you all will have a face to go with my posts. Sokdee everyone. Keomany & William |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Lao Pride Administrator on 11th Mar, 2011 at 9:38am
Thank you for sharing a beautiful picture of you and your wife, Mr William. You look like each other and I wish the both of you all the happiness in the world.
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Title: Re: My wife and me Post by chuck on 11th Mar, 2011 at 10:03am wrote on 10th Mar, 2011 at 8:48pm:
Hi Chris, Thank you for replying me. I have a few questions that I don't understand from what you have told me though. 1. Why did you have to show police clearance cert, proof of residence, single status, birth cert - all these docs only for her? Is it required for getting her a pass or something to stay in HK with you? 2. Can you give me the address to MoFA in Vientiane? 3. Is it ok for me to stay in the same hotel room in Vientiane due to the secret law? 4. I thought dowry is for the use of the newly married couple according to some websites I've read. So 60,000 baht = 30,000 baht for gold necklace and 30,000 for food and drinks? 5. How widely is Thai Baht and USD used in Vientiane? Sorry to bother you with so many questions. :P Thank you for checking with your wife about the single status cert. :) |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Chris Cotton on 11th Mar, 2011 at 10:04am
Great pic mate.
U look very happy together Chris |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by chuck on 11th Mar, 2011 at 10:05am Admin Saovaluck wrote on 11th Mar, 2011 at 12:51am:
Hi there, Yes there is such office for Marriage Registration in Malaysia, I will make a visit to that office and ask about it. Thank you for replying to me :) |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by chuck on 11th Mar, 2011 at 10:09am wrote on 11th Mar, 2011 at 8:23am:
Thank you William and congratulations to you too William You both look happy in the picture :) |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Chris Cotton on 11th Mar, 2011 at 10:52am chuck wrote on 11th Mar, 2011 at 10:03am:
Hey mate Q1. With all the docs, we didn't actually know what we needed. We got married in hk and 2 days later told the lao embassy in hk. The lao guy there said we needed those docs. Luckily I had them already because when I was applying for her visa to come over, I thought I might need those things anyway. All I had to do was show my passport and the original marriage cert. By the way, she said she got the single status cert from one of the ministries. (interior??...not sure). Q2. MOFA in Vientiane - Google maps is best Q3. Not an expert on Laos really. But from my own experience, I never got busted in a hotel in Laos. Always felt a bit uneasy tho. Actually, got seperate rooms in Vang Vieng. Q4. That's what the wife suggested. Seemed fair enough to me so went with it. Different for different folks i guess. Q5. From my own experience ....widely. Change came in kip. Take care Chris |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by chuck on 11th Mar, 2011 at 3:53pm wrote on 10th Mar, 2011 at 8:48pm:
Hey there, Im going to apply for her visa and special pass under the spouse programme in Malaysia, I've asked about it but the officer I talked to on the phone nvr told me in details about the documents needed. Where do I get the police clearance letter and proof of residence? Thank you Chris again. ;) |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Lao Pride Administrator on 11th Mar, 2011 at 6:18pm
Your local court or police station can check your criminal record. Ask for a name check, and they'll provide you a letter or certificate stating the court outcomes or no court outcomes against you.
You can get your proof of residence from anywhere. Your council or tenant can provide you a letter stating your current address. But Chris will know more than me. |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Chris Cotton on 11th Mar, 2011 at 7:25pm
Chuck - Proof of Residence can from the Village Chief I think.
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Title: Re: My wife and me Post by chuck on 11th Mar, 2011 at 9:22pm wrote on 11th Mar, 2011 at 7:25pm:
Hi Chris, Is it a requirement by the HK government to have police clearance letter and proof of residence for your wife's visa application? I think I might need to get the same documents for my wife to apply for her visa. Probably the same requirement in most countries. That means I have to get her police clearance letter from nearby police station or court? Please advice. :) |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Chris Cotton on 11th Mar, 2011 at 10:33pm chuck wrote on 11th Mar, 2011 at 9:22pm:
Hi Chuck - No, wasn't a requirement at all for her visa for hk. |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by chuck on 13th Mar, 2011 at 2:51pm
Hi Chris,
Sorry for troubling you. Is it ok for you to help me ask your wife whether Divorce Filing can be done through the Village Chief because as I've expected and I was told by my girlfriend that her father went to talk to the Village Chief about Divorce Decree but he was told about more than 5 years ago my girlfriend didn't go through the divorce procedure with her husband so they are practically still considered married without a divorce decree. Although my girlfriend told me that her mom went to ask some people in her village and was told that she can get married because it has been more than 5 years. I really need to get the facts right before I go to Laos so that I can have the necessaries prepared. Thank you. |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Chris Cotton on 13th Mar, 2011 at 8:43pm
Can't help you with that one Chuck. Sorry.
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Title: Re: My wife and me Post by chuck on 5th Apr, 2011 at 5:44am wrote on 13th Mar, 2011 at 8:43pm:
Hey Chris, Can you tell me where my girlfriend can get the single status from in Laos? Thank you. |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Chris Cotton on 5th Apr, 2011 at 8:27am
Not 100% sure to be honest Chuck. I think my wife saw the Nai Bahn anmanaged to get hers.
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Title: Re: My wife and me Post by chuck on 5th Apr, 2011 at 11:46am wrote on 5th Apr, 2011 at 8:27am:
Hi Chris, I called up the Malaysian embassy in Laos and managed to find out that the Single Status Letter is from obtainable from the Nai Ban and to get it stamped from him I remember you told me your wife got her single status letter stamped by the chief and is that all? Did she have to get it stamped from ministry of foreign affair or ministry of justice? |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Chris Cotton on 5th Apr, 2011 at 11:50am
I think it was just from the Nai Bahn. Same with her pr0of of address, birth certificate etc
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Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Chris Cotton on 29th Apr, 2011 at 6:27am
Hi all
Just a quick update. At Easter I went over to Laos to get my wife. Her dependant visa in Hong Kong arrived and so she can live with me here in HK as long as I'm here. While in Laos we did a ceremony....Muk Kaen I think it was called. Didn't really know what to expect except that I was paying my sin sot. Paid for food and ring ....60,000 Baht all up. Ceremony was terrific and family very nice. First time I'd meet the oldest brother and youngest brother. Everything went smoothly and a good time had by all. We all went off for a drive to a river after the ceremony and food to drink more beer lao. I've tried to post some pics but once I choose a file I'm not sure how to choose more than 1 and then attach them. Can anyone help me? Cheers Chris Cotton |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by Lao Pride Administrator on 29th Apr, 2011 at 6:48am
I'm glad to hear that everything worked out so well for you, and you're happily married.
Unfortunately, you can only attach one picture per post that you make. If you want to display more than one picture in a post, you can upload your pictures on flickr.com or somewhere like Old Man is doing, then you use the "image tag" to display your pictures. Instructions to add pictures using the tag is on the following page: http://www.laopride.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.cgi?num=1301730753 |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by William Kelley on 29th Apr, 2011 at 6:54am wrote on 29th Apr, 2011 at 6:27am:
A hardy congratulations and blessings to you both. [smiley=beer.gif] |
Title: Re: My wife and me Post by WorriedinPakse on 16th Jun, 2011 at 2:44am
Bumping this to the top so a friend can read it.Hope it's as easy for him to get married.
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